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welcome to witness systems

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what's up everybody

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i hope you are having a good day i

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haven't seen you

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since yesterday i think man

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crazy crazy been a while

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um i'm glad you are here hanging out

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with me today though

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um yesterday

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you know we had a pretty good show i

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went over

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kind of how i felt just about the blue

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book files and what i took from it

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um my opinion that i gave there

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you know

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it's based on those files alone

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you know it's not based on anything else

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you know it's just based about my time

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with those files and what i learned so

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that's

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important to say i guess i got my buck

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shirt on today i know i don't wear

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sports gear very often but i do like the

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bucks

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you know do i watch every game no not

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even close

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and they're the world champs so that's

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pretty cool too

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i kind of have a lot to

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that i wanted to touch on really and the

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reason is i want to share this stuff you

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know um it's all fun finding it and

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putting it on my uh

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you know uh on my website and everything

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i prefer to at least get to talk about

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it with somebody and that's what i have

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oh janice's night giannis is nice but he

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ate the king

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no he's he's the champion

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[Laughter]

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uh funny

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laura what's up how are you

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screen memory book uh just a normal

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milwaukee buckets by the sports team

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um

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yep you got it lara

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everybody um lord bass yeah tell your

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boss time is fake that's a fact

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enzo what's up

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um

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and who else we got laura

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what's happening toby

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megan awesome

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mr robert gilford

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good to see you um hopefully robert

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you're feeling okay i know you're going

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through some stuff right now um i hope

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you feel better and you're up to speedy

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recovery

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and when you are fully recovered

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you get back on this show

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asap

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um who else we got dr avril how are you

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i know

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awesome we got a good um diverse group

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pretty pretty pretty

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mr jashaw he's been on the show a couple

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times he's a great guy he's going

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through some

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difficult times as well

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um so my thoughts and everything go with

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uh and prayers go with uh jazz

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bad things happen to such good people

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is not cool that way that's for sure

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oh i got something for you coming up

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um yeah so i wanted to go through this i

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address unidentified aerial phenomenon

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and secretary of defense dni

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department-wide basis the mission

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timely consistent reporting

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evaluating links between uap adversarial

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coordinating with other departments yep

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this is pretty cool coordinating with

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allies and partners of the united states

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nature and extent of uap what's

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this that they're not starting up an

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investigation again in uap

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patterns regarding uap that indicate a

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security measurements about this stuff

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and it pretty much talks about how the

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which is a lot like what attic

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it's kind of redundant an update on any

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they want an update on that

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an assessment of any health related

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effects for individuals that have

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encountered uap we've heard um

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it's good that they're getting an

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assessment on that

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my twitter i'm not sure if you saw that

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but i shared um

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you know an actual like a side story

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from the socorro um ufo incident

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uh where like an 11 year old girl saw

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supposedly the same

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ship in

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burns she got burned and was in the

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and we touched on another case too i

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forget their names but last week at some

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did we have

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the term appropriate congressional

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okay is that pretty much it task force

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not later than the date

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shall terminate the uap task force

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witnessed by a pilot or air crew member

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that are not immediately identifiable

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i know that was a big bust with the aoi

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but there was no transmedium talk here

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and it was all ariel

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well looks like this is the same

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airborne objects

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space objects or underwater objects it

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it's funny i don't hear people talk

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about that

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for some reason

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hopefully i have the right version

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i think i think i do

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but yeah so there you go

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on the face of it

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looks just fine

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um but i think it's going to be

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you know to be determined how does this

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look

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you know

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and we shall see

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this

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is

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the crash

301
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story this one's for robert

302
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i put 47 actually in this

303
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uh title but it's

304
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here i'll change it or 49 i put but it's

305
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47.

306
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whoopsies

307
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oh

308
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then well let me edit it right now but

309
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it's actually 1947. a lot of this is

310
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yeah that too

311
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that to rodrigo

312
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hopefully have the right one i mean the

313
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the one i'm looking at wasn't even uh

314
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passed by the senate yet apparently so

315
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i'm not sure if that's

316
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i don't know i'm not as good as the new

317
00:15:06,020 --> 00:15:03,600
stuff but it seems pretty right from

318
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what i've been hearing so i don't know

319
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[Laughter]

320
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all right but anyways so this is

321
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interesting i'm going to this is june

322
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light gray traveling at a high rate of

323
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speed

324
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straight down

325
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what i wanted to get to is

326
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the story so excuse me if i'm going

327
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through here too fast to find it because

328
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there's multiple

329
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records in here

330
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but we can read this here

331
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investigation conducted by special agent

332
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at tacoma washington august 7 1947

333
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associated press

334
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early part of june 47 uh requested by

335
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the seattle post intelligence

336
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to check on a story which he was

337
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informed had been obtained from the fire

338
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chief

339
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at harper

340
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washington

341
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uh the story was supposed to have

342
00:16:17,030 --> 00:16:14,480
originated with

343
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a citizen stated that the story was to

344
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the effect that while patrolling in his

345
00:16:23,990 --> 00:16:22,160
boat near mori island saw five or six

346
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flying discs one of which fluttered

347
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toward the ground and finally

348
00:16:30,310 --> 00:16:28,079
disintegrated fragments of the disc were

349
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reported to have showered down on the

350
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boat

351
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interesting

352
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he immediately left and reported the

353
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senate post intelligence that the uh

354
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entire story was a hoax and that they

355
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should not print it in any way

356
00:16:58,069 --> 00:16:55,600
interesting huh

357
00:17:00,550 --> 00:16:58,079
well we're about to go a little further

358
00:17:08,230 --> 00:17:00,560
into this which makes that kind of not

359
00:17:13,669 --> 00:17:10,470
it was the tacoma times paper which

360
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first issued his story on august 2nd

361
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and subsequent stories uh intimating

362
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that the b-25 which crashed

363
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down

364
00:17:24,230 --> 00:17:21,839
because of the fact that it carried

365
00:17:26,949 --> 00:17:24,240
flying disc fragments

366
00:17:28,950 --> 00:17:26,959
stated that on thursday july 31st 11 30

367
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am he received an anonymous phone call

368
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in which the caller stated

369
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and then army intelligence officers were

370
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meeting in room 502 of the winthrop

371
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hotel to check on the flying death story

372
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from which fragments were obtained on

373
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steady turned around to speak to his

374
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editor and when he picked up the phone

375
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the done then related at that moment so

376
00:18:06,470 --> 00:18:04,880
caller called back caller related at

377
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that moment that there was a big meeting

378
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in progress in the room 502 in the

379
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winthrop hotel that the b-25 which

380
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crashed that morning in kelso was

381
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carrying flying disc fragments from

382
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california that

383
00:18:21,990 --> 00:18:19,200
um mccord field officials has had stated

384
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the plane was sabotaged or shot down the

385
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caller then hung up after making some

386
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statements the effect that he was a

387
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switchboard operator

388
00:18:31,669 --> 00:18:29,039
stated that he went to the winthrop

389
00:18:33,669 --> 00:18:31,679
hotel on friday

390
00:18:36,150 --> 00:18:33,679
answered the door and that captain such

391
00:18:38,310 --> 00:18:36,160
and such united airlines pilot was on

392
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the phone stated that he heard and make

393
00:18:42,310 --> 00:18:40,160
a statement to the effect that the

394
00:18:44,710 --> 00:18:42,320
information must be very strictly

395
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confidential he stated that there were

396
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one or two others in the room besides

397
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them

398
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he could make no statement that he

399
00:18:56,630 --> 00:18:55,200
attempted to check the story with

400
00:19:00,630 --> 00:18:56,640
various people on maureen island with

401
00:19:05,190 --> 00:19:03,510
pretty interesting story though for sure

402
00:19:07,430 --> 00:19:05,200
instead he talked to ted morello the

403
00:19:09,990 --> 00:19:07,440
united press wireman who advised that

404
00:19:11,390 --> 00:19:10,000
the story sounded fantastic this sounds

405
00:19:22,150 --> 00:19:11,400
fantastic

406
00:19:26,390 --> 00:19:24,870
yeah um interesting that you say this

407
00:19:29,110 --> 00:19:26,400
yeah because this story has actually

408
00:19:33,270 --> 00:19:29,120
been public knowledge

409
00:19:39,350 --> 00:19:34,870
well at least has been available to the

410
00:19:43,750 --> 00:19:41,190
on the archives so i'd be interested

411
00:19:46,710 --> 00:19:43,760
when you wrote it

412
00:19:48,150 --> 00:19:46,720
mentioned mount rainer here a b-25 shot

413
00:19:50,630 --> 00:19:48,160
down

414
00:19:56,230 --> 00:19:50,640
marine plane found recently

415
00:20:06,789 --> 00:19:57,669
most of these are

416
00:20:12,549 --> 00:20:10,310
believe it or not but um i would say if

417
00:20:16,230 --> 00:20:12,559
it was real and it got out in the news

418
00:20:23,590 --> 00:20:17,909
no

419
00:20:28,070 --> 00:20:26,149
hitchhiker and a man crew chief to take

420
00:20:30,549 --> 00:20:28,080
care of the airplane is pretty

421
00:20:32,149 --> 00:20:30,559
interesting

422
00:20:34,470 --> 00:20:32,159
following information obtained by

423
00:20:36,789 --> 00:20:34,480
special agent interview with captain

424
00:20:38,470 --> 00:20:36,799
smith united airlines pilot it should be

425
00:20:41,270 --> 00:20:38,480
noted that captain has previously

426
00:20:43,750 --> 00:20:41,280
received publicity for having supposedly

427
00:20:46,230 --> 00:20:43,760
supposedly seen flying discs or similar

428
00:20:48,630 --> 00:20:46,240
objects on july 4th last while on a

429
00:20:50,390 --> 00:20:48,640
routine united airlines flight out of

430
00:20:53,990 --> 00:20:50,400
boise idaho

431
00:21:01,510 --> 00:20:58,310
interesting

432
00:21:12,549 --> 00:21:04,789
pretty good

433
00:21:16,710 --> 00:21:14,549
queer said that the captain would have

434
00:21:20,070 --> 00:21:16,720
the opinion that there might be some so

435
00:21:22,789 --> 00:21:20,080
this is interesting following this uh

436
00:21:25,590 --> 00:21:22,799
lieutenant in the answer to a query from

437
00:21:27,430 --> 00:21:25,600
whoever said that the captain

438
00:21:29,750 --> 00:21:27,440
he and captain were of what the

439
00:21:31,110 --> 00:21:29,760
immediate superior of the opinion that

440
00:21:33,190 --> 00:21:31,120
there might be some truth in the current

441
00:21:35,430 --> 00:21:33,200
flank death stories but that their

442
00:21:39,110 --> 00:21:35,440
immediate superiors presumably 82 at

443
00:21:40,710 --> 00:21:39,120
hamilton field did not agree with them

444
00:21:42,149 --> 00:21:40,720
brief discussion as to whether they

445
00:21:43,750 --> 00:21:42,159
should return that same night to

446
00:21:46,230 --> 00:21:43,760
hamilton field they decided that they

447
00:21:48,149 --> 00:21:46,240
would all five men

448
00:21:52,950 --> 00:21:48,159
down to the lottery

449
00:22:00,630 --> 00:21:55,750
and they went away and uh they got shot

450
00:22:02,070 --> 00:22:00,640
shot down and sabotaged the story goes

451
00:22:03,909 --> 00:22:02,080
but it's not very fun to tell when

452
00:22:06,080 --> 00:22:03,919
you're just sitting here saying it's

453
00:22:11,029 --> 00:22:06,090
been debunked already

454
00:22:14,549 --> 00:22:12,630
uh i think this is the one i'm probably

455
00:22:15,830 --> 00:22:14,559
talking about right

456
00:22:18,549 --> 00:22:15,840
maureen island case up here in

457
00:22:21,830 --> 00:22:18,559
washington lately so was considered not

458
00:22:25,190 --> 00:22:21,840
a hoax yeah that's what i'm

459
00:22:31,190 --> 00:22:28,470
a little fast i guess but this is it

460
00:22:34,870 --> 00:22:31,200
i mean it's pretty detailed if it's a

461
00:22:38,870 --> 00:22:36,789
smith was not personally satisfied with

462
00:22:40,870 --> 00:22:38,880
these repairs as we made a result of any

463
00:22:43,270 --> 00:22:40,880
such incident

464
00:22:44,950 --> 00:22:43,280
on saturday morning august 2nd 47

465
00:22:46,710 --> 00:22:44,960
received

466
00:22:49,110 --> 00:22:46,720
advised him however that he would call

467
00:22:50,870 --> 00:22:49,120
him back at 2 30 afternoon

468
00:22:55,909 --> 00:22:50,880
coffee shop nearby the unknown person

469
00:22:59,430 --> 00:22:57,830
on leaving the coffee shop asked about

470
00:23:00,870 --> 00:22:59,440
the negatives of photographs which he

471
00:23:02,630 --> 00:23:00,880
claimed to have taken on the flying disc

472
00:23:04,630 --> 00:23:02,640
said that the negatives were in the

473
00:23:06,789 --> 00:23:04,640
glove compartment of his car

474
00:23:13,669 --> 00:23:06,799
but a search of the instant glove

475
00:23:23,270 --> 00:23:15,350
interesting

476
00:23:26,549 --> 00:23:25,110
so

477
00:23:37,110 --> 00:23:26,559
i don't think they ever found who the

478
00:23:42,230 --> 00:23:39,270
the guy knew about right field uh i

479
00:23:45,590 --> 00:23:42,240
don't know it's pretty interesting

480
00:23:45,600 --> 00:23:48,830
is worth more

481
00:23:53,029 --> 00:23:51,269
um research that's for sure especially

482
00:23:54,710 --> 00:23:53,039
how they described the fragments major

483
00:23:57,350 --> 00:23:54,720
sanders after looking at the fragments

484
00:24:00,549 --> 00:23:57,360
which were still in the room suggested

485
00:24:02,630 --> 00:24:00,559
that they drive out to the smelter near

486
00:24:04,549 --> 00:24:02,640
tacoma as he believed the slag at the

487
00:24:06,710 --> 00:24:04,559
smelter would bear a distinct

488
00:24:08,390 --> 00:24:06,720
resemblance to these fragments these

489
00:24:10,789 --> 00:24:08,400
three men then drove to the smelter and

490
00:24:13,110 --> 00:24:10,799
the slag was noted to be definitely

491
00:24:14,630 --> 00:24:13,120
similar to the fragments

492
00:24:16,470 --> 00:24:14,640
and had left the hotel room then

493
00:24:19,750 --> 00:24:16,480
returned to the hotel room and major

494
00:24:26,789 --> 00:24:19,760
sanders left them now

495
00:24:30,549 --> 00:24:28,470
well maybe that's it

496
00:24:32,549 --> 00:24:30,559
about a half hour arrival is

497
00:24:35,190 --> 00:24:32,559
in seattle which was approximately 7 30

498
00:24:37,190 --> 00:24:35,200
pm that tacoma times appeared newspaper

499
00:24:39,590 --> 00:24:37,200
containing the associated press story it

500
00:24:41,510 --> 00:24:39,600
originated boise idaho

501
00:24:42,950 --> 00:24:41,520
the boise statements which is written

502
00:24:44,870 --> 00:24:42,960
following admission to him that the

503
00:24:45,669 --> 00:24:44,880
fragments had been carried by lieutenant

504
00:24:48,789 --> 00:24:45,679
brown

505
00:24:52,310 --> 00:24:48,799
captain davidson on the fatal b25 flight

506
00:24:58,830 --> 00:24:52,320
at this time continued to

507
00:24:58,840 --> 00:25:06,630
interesting very interesting

508
00:25:06,640 --> 00:25:10,549
yeah that is interesting isn't it

509
00:25:14,870 --> 00:25:12,870
i mean yeah we just went through that uh

510
00:25:19,029 --> 00:25:14,880
part of it

511
00:25:19,039 --> 00:25:23,110
rainier what however he said

512
00:25:23,120 --> 00:25:28,149
jack wilcox so this is interesting

513
00:25:33,350 --> 00:25:30,230
um

514
00:25:42,630 --> 00:25:33,360
there's something to do with uh aztec in

515
00:25:46,630 --> 00:25:44,230
so this is basically it the original

516
00:25:48,149 --> 00:25:46,640
sighting is given um was to the effect

517
00:25:50,630 --> 00:25:48,159
that while patrolling in his boat near

518
00:25:53,190 --> 00:25:50,640
mori island

519
00:25:54,470 --> 00:25:53,200
showering his boat with fragments

520
00:25:56,149 --> 00:25:54,480
killed his dog

521
00:25:58,149 --> 00:25:56,159
also stayed at the edge taking pictures

522
00:26:00,230 --> 00:25:58,159
of the discs he had seen but the

523
00:26:01,909 --> 00:26:00,240
pictures were marred with white spots

524
00:26:03,750 --> 00:26:01,919
following days went to mario island to

525
00:26:06,390 --> 00:26:03,760
verify what was told him regarding the

526
00:26:10,149 --> 00:26:08,549
he also saw one of this hovering over

527
00:26:12,470 --> 00:26:10,159
the island but that had disappeared to a

528
00:26:14,310 --> 00:26:12,480
cloud sometime in june or july ray

529
00:26:16,470 --> 00:26:14,320
palmer

530
00:26:18,470 --> 00:26:16,480
sounds familiar

531
00:26:20,710 --> 00:26:18,480
davis company which published fantastic

532
00:26:22,549 --> 00:26:20,720
adventure magazines received a letter

533
00:26:24,310 --> 00:26:22,559
from which he related his dis story and

534
00:26:26,149 --> 00:26:24,320
also submitted some fragments of the

535
00:26:27,110 --> 00:26:26,159
alleged flying desk ray palmer then

536
00:26:29,029 --> 00:26:27,120
hired

537
00:26:34,870 --> 00:26:29,039
blackety blank to investigate the

538
00:26:39,029 --> 00:26:36,870
on the evening of july 31st tried to

539
00:26:40,630 --> 00:26:39,039
arrange a meeting between such and such

540
00:26:42,549 --> 00:26:40,640
and two army intelligence officers

541
00:26:44,630 --> 00:26:42,559
refused to attend the meeting but

542
00:26:47,669 --> 00:26:44,640
attended and relate the entire event to

543
00:26:49,190 --> 00:26:47,679
them as the two officers were leaving

544
00:26:50,310 --> 00:26:49,200
uh chrisman

545
00:26:52,710 --> 00:26:50,320
oops

546
00:26:54,549 --> 00:26:52,720
they didn't block that one up

547
00:26:56,310 --> 00:26:54,559
gave them some fragments of the alleged

548
00:26:57,750 --> 00:26:56,320
diss unfortunately as the two officers

549
00:27:00,070 --> 00:26:57,760
were returning to hamilton air force

550
00:27:01,669 --> 00:27:00,080
base the b-25 in which they were flying

551
00:27:03,830 --> 00:27:01,679
crashed and both of the officers were

552
00:27:05,430 --> 00:27:03,840
killed following day several newspapers

553
00:27:07,350 --> 00:27:05,440
received anonymous calls to the effect

554
00:27:09,430 --> 00:27:07,360
that the b-25 had been shot down by a

555
00:27:11,110 --> 00:27:09,440
20-millimeter cannon

556
00:27:12,470 --> 00:27:11,120
so that the disc samples could not be

557
00:27:14,149 --> 00:27:12,480
analyzed and these calls were

558
00:27:16,630 --> 00:27:14,159
responsible for the news accounts that

559
00:27:18,549 --> 00:27:16,640
insinuated that the b-25 had been

560
00:27:20,630 --> 00:27:18,559
sabotaged subsequent investigation

561
00:27:23,350 --> 00:27:20,640
revealed that in early june at the

562
00:27:25,190 --> 00:27:23,360
request of seattle post intelligence sir

563
00:27:27,430 --> 00:27:25,200
uh the associated press wireman at

564
00:27:29,350 --> 00:27:27,440
tacoma interviewed concerning his disk

565
00:27:31,110 --> 00:27:29,360
sighting in the course of the interview

566
00:27:33,750 --> 00:27:31,120
uh wife stated that the whole thing was

567
00:27:35,909 --> 00:27:33,760
a fantasy at this time admitted that the

568
00:27:38,470 --> 00:27:35,919
whole thing was a hoax there was no

569
00:27:40,549 --> 00:27:38,480
recent serious damage if any to the boat

570
00:27:42,149 --> 00:27:40,559
upon request doll was unable to produce

571
00:27:44,310 --> 00:27:42,159
the photos which he had mentioned

572
00:27:46,870 --> 00:27:44,320
earlier to blank why didn't they ask

573
00:27:49,750 --> 00:27:46,880
about the dog

574
00:27:51,909 --> 00:27:49,760
you know what's up with the dog

575
00:27:54,070 --> 00:27:51,919
is the dog alive

576
00:27:56,630 --> 00:27:54,080
that's what i would ask let me see that

577
00:28:00,950 --> 00:27:59,110
nobody asks that

578
00:28:03,430 --> 00:28:00,960
the original sighting is given by

579
00:28:05,029 --> 00:28:03,440
chrisman and doll was to the effect that

580
00:28:08,149 --> 00:28:05,039
doll while patrolling in his boat near

581
00:28:12,389 --> 00:28:08,159
moore yes we already read that

582
00:28:16,230 --> 00:28:13,750
um yep

583
00:28:19,029 --> 00:28:16,240
two samples this similar to slag found

584
00:28:20,470 --> 00:28:19,039
at the nearby foundry what a what a hoot

585
00:28:21,990 --> 00:28:20,480
let's go to the foundry and get some

586
00:28:23,750 --> 00:28:22,000
metal slag

587
00:28:25,190 --> 00:28:23,760
right

588
00:28:31,190 --> 00:28:25,200
and we're gonna

589
00:28:36,789 --> 00:28:34,389
how like stupid is that like um

590
00:28:38,789 --> 00:28:36,799
it's just

591
00:28:40,789 --> 00:28:38,799
if i mean if this is how it is doesn't

592
00:28:42,789 --> 00:28:40,799
work

593
00:28:44,789 --> 00:28:42,799
the whole you put everybody through all

594
00:28:47,269 --> 00:28:44,799
this stuff

595
00:28:50,389 --> 00:28:47,279
for what

596
00:28:54,710 --> 00:28:50,399
went to metal slag dump

597
00:28:59,190 --> 00:28:56,870
a plane crashed

598
00:29:00,549 --> 00:28:59,200
and

599
00:29:01,909 --> 00:29:00,559
then you you're telling people it's

600
00:29:05,430 --> 00:29:01,919
because they had metal fragments what's

601
00:29:09,190 --> 00:29:07,830
nothing

602
00:29:10,470 --> 00:29:09,200
what do you think you're going to ride

603
00:29:12,870 --> 00:29:10,480
off in the

604
00:29:16,470 --> 00:29:12,880
sunset

605
00:29:18,240 --> 00:29:16,480
on a flying saucer fragment

606
00:29:25,350 --> 00:29:18,250
um cloud

607
00:29:30,389 --> 00:29:26,789
they're part of a disc because that's

608
00:29:31,750 --> 00:29:30,399
what palmer wanted them to say

609
00:29:34,149 --> 00:29:31,760
here's arnold

610
00:29:35,909 --> 00:29:34,159
stated that they mostly talked to arnold

611
00:29:38,549 --> 00:29:35,919
and the intelligence officers about

612
00:29:40,310 --> 00:29:38,559
flying and that no one was very

613
00:29:41,430 --> 00:29:40,320
interested in the rock samples they

614
00:29:45,160 --> 00:29:41,440
found

615
00:29:47,510 --> 00:29:45,170
nobody wanted my samples

616
00:29:49,510 --> 00:29:47,520
[Laughter]

617
00:29:51,430 --> 00:29:49,520
these are nice rocks

618
00:29:57,190 --> 00:29:51,440
this case is considered a hoax and no

619
00:30:02,549 --> 00:30:00,230
i'm scrolling past this we already

620
00:30:04,389 --> 00:30:02,559
oh maybe

621
00:30:05,990 --> 00:30:04,399
oh yep here we go

622
00:30:08,950 --> 00:30:06,000
samples of the flying disc were similar

623
00:30:11,830 --> 00:30:08,960
to slag blah blah investigation

624
00:30:15,430 --> 00:30:11,840
crash showed an exhaust stack his man

625
00:30:20,149 --> 00:30:17,990
um crash showed that an exhaust stack

626
00:30:23,990 --> 00:30:20,159
had burned out on the left engine which

627
00:30:24,000 --> 00:30:28,070
doesn't mean it wasn't shot

628
00:30:31,510 --> 00:30:29,669
both denied that the fragments were part

629
00:30:33,350 --> 00:30:31,520
of a flying disc they stated that they

630
00:30:37,830 --> 00:30:33,360
had sent some rock samples to palmer for

631
00:30:40,710 --> 00:30:39,430
and palmer had asked them if these

632
00:30:43,350 --> 00:30:40,720
samples could have been a part of a

633
00:30:47,990 --> 00:30:43,360
flying disc said he passed this all off

634
00:30:56,870 --> 00:30:51,510
so funny

635
00:31:01,029 --> 00:30:59,190
what a good joke

636
00:31:06,070 --> 00:31:01,039
now insert

637
00:31:11,029 --> 00:31:08,149
the investigation of this incident was

638
00:31:14,710 --> 00:31:11,039
predicated upon a letter dated november

639
00:31:16,630 --> 00:31:14,720
29 1949 to the osi from the fbi it was

640
00:31:19,350 --> 00:31:16,640
pointed out that bruce cabot a motion

641
00:31:22,389 --> 00:31:19,360
picture actor had reported of a hearing

642
00:31:25,190 --> 00:31:22,399
a fantastic story told by mr newton

643
00:31:26,710 --> 00:31:25,200
concerning a crash of two flying saucers

644
00:31:29,430 --> 00:31:26,720
kevin said that according to newton the

645
00:31:31,350 --> 00:31:29,440
disc contained men and he had in his

646
00:31:33,909 --> 00:31:31,360
possession bits of clothing worn by

647
00:31:35,669 --> 00:31:33,919
these men the osi expended considerable

648
00:31:37,509 --> 00:31:35,679
efforts attempting to contact the

649
00:31:39,830 --> 00:31:37,519
various people concerned to get all the

650
00:31:42,630 --> 00:31:39,840
possible details mr newton turned out to

651
00:31:44,630 --> 00:31:42,640
be the most uncooperative and the case

652
00:31:49,669 --> 00:31:44,640
was finally closed concluding the whole

653
00:31:49,679 --> 00:31:53,669
interesting that that would be in there

654
00:31:58,870 --> 00:31:55,590
and how many times they put the same

655
00:32:02,070 --> 00:32:00,630
so i'm just skipping past this because

656
00:32:07,990 --> 00:32:02,080
it's stuff we already

657
00:32:08,000 --> 00:32:12,870
bruce cabot again

658
00:32:12,880 --> 00:32:17,029
i believe this is from

659
00:32:20,310 --> 00:32:19,350
with an advance of 200 for expenses

660
00:32:23,190 --> 00:32:20,320
arnold

661
00:32:25,029 --> 00:32:23,200
flew to tacoma and into a nightmare of a

662
00:32:27,029 --> 00:32:25,039
mystery the two men were elusive their

663
00:32:28,710 --> 00:32:27,039
story full of discrepancies and their

664
00:32:30,389 --> 00:32:28,720
manta ray base of wondering at first

665
00:32:32,230 --> 00:32:30,399
whether the affair was a hoax arnold

666
00:32:34,070 --> 00:32:32,240
finally attributed the strange behavior

667
00:32:35,430 --> 00:32:34,080
of the men to their fear of hostile

668
00:32:38,070 --> 00:32:35,440
saucers

669
00:32:39,830 --> 00:32:38,080
alarmed he called in the help of army

670
00:32:41,590 --> 00:32:39,840
intelligence two officers arrived from

671
00:32:43,909 --> 00:32:41,600
hamilton air force base

672
00:32:46,310 --> 00:32:43,919
made a careful investigation

673
00:32:49,669 --> 00:32:46,320
um they found that blanket blank were

674
00:32:53,430 --> 00:32:49,679
not harbor patrolmen but salvagers of

675
00:32:55,830 --> 00:32:53,440
floating lumber their boat was scarcely

676
00:32:57,509 --> 00:32:55,840
seaworthy it showed no evidence of major

677
00:32:58,630 --> 00:32:57,519
repairs they couldn't remember what they

678
00:33:00,789 --> 00:32:58,640
had done with the pictures they

679
00:33:02,549 --> 00:33:00,799
mentioned

680
00:33:03,990 --> 00:33:02,559
uh the only evidence offered for the

681
00:33:06,149 --> 00:33:04,000
truth of their tail was the collection

682
00:33:08,549 --> 00:33:06,159
of strange fragments that were later

683
00:33:10,470 --> 00:33:08,559
found to be slagged from a local smelter

684
00:33:18,549 --> 00:33:10,480
plant and similar fragments could be

685
00:33:22,070 --> 00:33:20,149
for a time government officials

686
00:33:24,389 --> 00:33:22,080
considered placing a charge of fraud

687
00:33:26,950 --> 00:33:24,399
against the two men who had

688
00:33:28,630 --> 00:33:26,960
dared the unhappy chain of events after

689
00:33:36,389 --> 00:33:28,640
further questioning both had admitted

690
00:33:39,669 --> 00:33:37,830
since the men obviously had never

691
00:33:41,750 --> 00:33:39,679
intended the tragic outcome and were not

692
00:33:46,630 --> 00:33:41,760
directly responsible for it the idea of

693
00:33:51,350 --> 00:33:49,029
the more island fragments

694
00:33:53,350 --> 00:33:51,360
the maurya island mysteria complex and

695
00:33:55,750 --> 00:33:53,360
eventually tragic affair

696
00:33:58,230 --> 00:33:55,760
occurred near tacoma washington

697
00:34:02,070 --> 00:33:58,240
less than 100 miles away

698
00:34:04,310 --> 00:34:02,080
where arnold had sighted the nine discs

699
00:34:06,549 --> 00:34:04,320
the famous

700
00:34:07,590 --> 00:34:06,559
mount rainier story that started it all

701
00:34:09,669 --> 00:34:07,600
off

702
00:34:14,470 --> 00:34:09,679
every document you read that talks about

703
00:34:18,550 --> 00:34:16,230
starts with

704
00:34:19,669 --> 00:34:18,560
back in 1947 mount rainier kenneth

705
00:34:23,990 --> 00:34:19,679
arnold

706
00:34:27,669 --> 00:34:26,069
it's kind of irritating actually i don't

707
00:34:29,430 --> 00:34:27,679
know why but it is

708
00:34:31,190 --> 00:34:29,440
um less than 100 miles from the place

709
00:34:33,510 --> 00:34:31,200
where arnold had cited the nine discs in

710
00:34:34,790 --> 00:34:33,520
this mystery too palmer was involved

711
00:34:37,750 --> 00:34:34,800
according to their

712
00:34:40,069 --> 00:34:37,760
story two harbor patrolmen

713
00:34:42,710 --> 00:34:40,079
um yeah we already know

714
00:34:44,550 --> 00:34:42,720
a doll and christmas on june 31st had

715
00:34:46,389 --> 00:34:44,560
observed a group of six flag discs that

716
00:34:49,109 --> 00:34:46,399
hovered over their boat near maury

717
00:34:50,790 --> 00:34:49,119
island and it jammed their radio

718
00:34:52,629 --> 00:34:50,800
when they tried to notify the

719
00:34:54,869 --> 00:34:52,639
authorities one of the dis heads seemed

720
00:34:57,349 --> 00:34:54,879
to be disabled and it showered down

721
00:34:58,870 --> 00:34:57,359
lava-like metallic fragments that

722
00:35:00,870 --> 00:34:58,880
damaged the boat and killed the dog on

723
00:35:03,270 --> 00:35:00,880
board the disc had then disappeared but

724
00:35:04,790 --> 00:35:03,280
the fragments remained as proof to visit

725
00:35:06,710 --> 00:35:04,800
the men also claimed to have taken some

726
00:35:09,510 --> 00:35:06,720
more pictures that showed the six

727
00:35:12,470 --> 00:35:09,520
objects what were fogged

728
00:35:14,710 --> 00:35:12,480
as though by radiation

729
00:35:16,390 --> 00:35:14,720
back on shore they had not telephoned

730
00:35:18,230 --> 00:35:16,400
the newspapers nor they notified any

731
00:35:20,069 --> 00:35:18,240
officials instead they had

732
00:35:22,069 --> 00:35:20,079
mailed a box of the fragments to ray

733
00:35:25,030 --> 00:35:22,079
palmer to prove that they had actually

734
00:35:26,630 --> 00:35:25,040
seen an accident to a flying saucer

735
00:35:27,829 --> 00:35:26,640
you know what is that really going to do

736
00:35:29,430 --> 00:35:27,839
anyways

737
00:35:31,430 --> 00:35:29,440
you mail those to a guy he sees these

738
00:35:35,430 --> 00:35:31,440
metal fragments

739
00:35:39,990 --> 00:35:37,109
how's he gonna know if they're from a

740
00:35:49,170 --> 00:35:42,230
oh these are flying saucer fragments

741
00:35:53,910 --> 00:35:50,310
[Music]

742
00:35:57,430 --> 00:35:55,910
i had written a warning to him that the

743
00:36:05,030 --> 00:35:57,440
knowledge contained in the shaver

744
00:36:05,040 --> 00:36:08,630
um i'm not sure what that is

745
00:36:11,270 --> 00:36:10,069
i'll have to look into the shaver

746
00:36:15,510 --> 00:36:11,280
stories

747
00:36:17,670 --> 00:36:15,520
was too dangerous to print identifying

748
00:36:19,030 --> 00:36:17,680
himself as an ex-air force pilot who had

749
00:36:19,750 --> 00:36:19,040
flown

750
00:36:20,870 --> 00:36:19,760
the

751
00:36:22,630 --> 00:36:20,880
whatever

752
00:36:24,829 --> 00:36:22,640
explained that when he was in burma he

753
00:36:28,310 --> 00:36:24,839
had been exploring a cave

754
00:36:30,470 --> 00:36:28,320
when adiro attacked him with a

755
00:36:32,390 --> 00:36:30,480
mysterious ray

756
00:36:37,670 --> 00:36:32,400
that made a hole at the size of a dime

757
00:36:42,069 --> 00:36:40,390
palmer had kept up the correspondence

758
00:36:45,109 --> 00:36:42,079
and some months later received a

759
00:36:46,950 --> 00:36:45,119
telephone call from in texas for 250

760
00:36:48,230 --> 00:36:46,960
bucks he would descend into a cave and

761
00:36:49,829 --> 00:36:48,240
take some actual

762
00:36:51,990 --> 00:36:49,839
it's always money right

763
00:36:55,190 --> 00:36:52,000
250 bucks

764
00:36:57,829 --> 00:36:55,200
i'll do it

765
00:37:00,470 --> 00:36:57,839
all right not a penny more not a penny

766
00:37:04,550 --> 00:37:02,710
250 bucks i'll go on that cave i'll take

767
00:37:06,829 --> 00:37:04,560
some pictures of the mysterious

768
00:37:09,190 --> 00:37:06,839
underground machines that shiver and

769
00:37:12,310 --> 00:37:09,200
described the result of this offer is

770
00:37:18,710 --> 00:37:13,829
probably because he went

771
00:37:24,550 --> 00:37:20,310
maybe not

772
00:37:28,230 --> 00:37:26,390
he had witnessed an accident to a flag

773
00:37:29,430 --> 00:37:28,240
saucer and was sending a box of

774
00:37:31,109 --> 00:37:29,440
fragments as proof

775
00:37:32,310 --> 00:37:31,119
[Music]

776
00:37:38,710 --> 00:37:32,320
so

777
00:37:39,670 --> 00:37:38,720
happening around

778
00:37:43,750 --> 00:37:39,680
um

779
00:37:50,790 --> 00:37:46,710
july 7th was it was the roswell thing

780
00:37:50,800 --> 00:37:57,349
going on to

781
00:37:57,359 --> 00:38:00,630
interesting

782
00:38:05,589 --> 00:38:02,310
palmer considered buying the story for

783
00:38:07,589 --> 00:38:05,599
fate but first he asked

784
00:38:09,510 --> 00:38:07,599
one of the two guys living close to the

785
00:38:14,069 --> 00:38:09,520
scene to investigate the tale

786
00:38:18,630 --> 00:38:16,790
so kenneth arnold investigated

787
00:38:21,510 --> 00:38:18,640
thus the first man to report flying

788
00:38:24,950 --> 00:38:21,520
saucers became also a victim of the

789
00:38:29,750 --> 00:38:24,960
first flying saucer hoax

790
00:38:34,310 --> 00:38:32,230
because you never see that written up in

791
00:38:39,430 --> 00:38:34,320
all the

792
00:38:41,430 --> 00:38:39,440
to my website about blue book and all

793
00:38:43,430 --> 00:38:41,440
that stuff right

794
00:38:44,790 --> 00:38:43,440
and they're you know giving a briefing

795
00:38:48,230 --> 00:38:44,800
to this person or that person they

796
00:38:50,150 --> 00:38:48,240
always start 1947

797
00:38:51,990 --> 00:38:50,160
kenneth arnold

798
00:38:53,670 --> 00:38:52,000
like i think a good part of the story

799
00:38:56,470 --> 00:38:53,680
would be um

800
00:38:58,150 --> 00:38:56,480
yeah so we're saying he's the first and

801
00:39:00,150 --> 00:38:58,160
guess what he was also a victim of a

802
00:39:03,670 --> 00:39:00,160
hoax why wouldn't they put that in the

803
00:39:06,790 --> 00:39:05,589
if they're making these briefings why

804
00:39:08,550 --> 00:39:06,800
wouldn't they

805
00:39:17,910 --> 00:39:08,560
pull out an

806
00:39:23,589 --> 00:39:19,510
seems like that would be a good part of

807
00:39:25,190 --> 00:39:23,599
the tale unless maybe it wasn't a hoax

808
00:39:28,150 --> 00:39:25,200
maybe it happened

809
00:39:31,109 --> 00:39:28,160
and maybe it not talking about it is

810
00:39:32,950 --> 00:39:31,119
exactly what you want to do

811
00:39:35,750 --> 00:39:32,960
and maybe by talking about roswell

812
00:39:38,310 --> 00:39:35,760
instead of the actual craft

813
00:39:45,910 --> 00:39:41,750
there's a little bit of misdirection

814
00:39:52,470 --> 00:39:48,069
i'm just saying

815
00:39:56,630 --> 00:39:54,390
and you also have

816
00:39:59,589 --> 00:39:56,640
roswell is real

817
00:40:03,829 --> 00:39:59,599
right or whatever roswell happens

818
00:40:08,870 --> 00:40:06,710
like there's nothing on roswell july 7.

819
00:40:10,470 --> 00:40:08,880
nothing at all

820
00:40:14,550 --> 00:40:10,480
and maybe it's because they hit it all

821
00:40:14,560 --> 00:40:19,510
or maybe it was a story that they

822
00:40:23,270 --> 00:40:21,109
i don't know

823
00:40:25,670 --> 00:40:23,280
sometimes i feel like that's uh

824
00:40:27,030 --> 00:40:25,680
roswell's like uh all misdirection like

825
00:40:29,990 --> 00:40:27,040
they want to take your attention away

826
00:40:32,230 --> 00:40:30,000
from stuff that's available like this or

827
00:40:33,990 --> 00:40:32,240
you know other cases

828
00:40:35,910 --> 00:40:34,000
put everybody's attention on roswell

829
00:40:39,109 --> 00:40:35,920
have them focus on roswell

830
00:40:41,510 --> 00:40:39,119
that way they won't see the 10 000 other

831
00:40:44,390 --> 00:40:41,520
cases that exist not of crashes but

832
00:40:44,400 --> 00:40:48,870
but that's just uh that's just theory

833
00:40:53,750 --> 00:40:51,030
thank you so much that is really awesome

834
00:40:55,670 --> 00:40:53,760
of you megan i really appreciate that

835
00:40:59,349 --> 00:40:55,680
yeah i hope you guys have a wonderful

836
00:41:02,630 --> 00:41:01,270
um that's about it but i did want to

837
00:41:03,910 --> 00:41:02,640
read this story

838
00:41:05,109 --> 00:41:03,920
or this

839
00:41:07,990 --> 00:41:05,119
note now that i see it because it's

840
00:41:09,990 --> 00:41:08,000
funny dear sirs i used to live in the

841
00:41:11,910 --> 00:41:10,000
same house with this fella and his wife

842
00:41:14,390 --> 00:41:11,920
and if i can help answer any questions

843
00:41:17,670 --> 00:41:14,400
about him i'd be glad to you can reach

844
00:41:21,589 --> 00:41:17,680
me at denny's hot dog stand 508

845
00:41:24,309 --> 00:41:21,599
again denny's hot dog stand 508 pacific

846
00:41:26,950 --> 00:41:24,319
ave santa cruz california so he probably

847
00:41:29,589 --> 00:41:26,960
wouldn't talk like that but

848
00:41:37,750 --> 00:41:32,309
just call him at the

849
00:41:43,510 --> 00:41:39,829
so what's

850
00:41:43,520 --> 00:41:47,670
it keeps going

851
00:41:53,349 --> 00:41:51,109
for saucer he saw was in june or july of

852
00:41:55,030 --> 00:41:53,359
1947.

853
00:41:56,790 --> 00:41:55,040
but we got the

854
00:41:59,190 --> 00:41:56,800
submitted by

855
00:42:03,030 --> 00:41:59,200
dingle sergeant

856
00:42:05,589 --> 00:42:03,040
dengel sergeant

857
00:42:07,349 --> 00:42:05,599
x ranger

858
00:42:08,870 --> 00:42:07,359
there's a lot to this one

859
00:42:13,510 --> 00:42:08,880
that's for sure

860
00:42:19,910 --> 00:42:15,910
these crashes always have a lot to him

861
00:42:25,990 --> 00:42:23,589
go go go go go go go go go go go go go

862
00:42:27,990 --> 00:42:26,000
go go

863
00:42:30,470 --> 00:42:28,000
all right that's about it

864
00:42:34,710 --> 00:42:30,480
that's about it for this

865
00:42:37,829 --> 00:42:36,309
yeah i thought this was interesting dear

866
00:42:40,470 --> 00:42:37,839
sir the following in general are the

867
00:42:45,270 --> 00:42:40,480
facts regarding the subsequently

868
00:42:49,270 --> 00:42:47,589
it's interesting because the agent the

869
00:42:53,190 --> 00:42:49,280
special agent

870
00:42:53,200 --> 00:42:56,470
um

871
00:43:00,150 --> 00:42:57,990
the following in general are the facts

872
00:43:01,990 --> 00:43:00,160
regarding the flying disc story

873
00:43:07,670 --> 00:43:02,000
and then he says all this stuff is like

874
00:43:19,670 --> 00:43:08,630
so

875
00:43:22,950 --> 00:43:19,680
you know really what it seems like is

876
00:43:25,030 --> 00:43:22,960
they were carrying some fragments

877
00:43:27,030 --> 00:43:25,040
but the plane wasn't sabotaged because

878
00:43:29,589 --> 00:43:27,040
of that

879
00:43:32,069 --> 00:43:29,599
does that make sense

880
00:43:36,470 --> 00:43:32,079
that's what i'm getting from this story

881
00:43:38,470 --> 00:43:36,480
and the fragments maybe they were smelt

882
00:43:41,109 --> 00:43:38,480
maybe they were fragments

883
00:43:41,560 --> 00:43:41,119
but they were carrying them

884
00:43:44,150 --> 00:43:41,570
and

885
00:43:47,670 --> 00:43:44,160
[Music]

886
00:43:49,910 --> 00:43:47,680
exhausted the plane for whatever reason

887
00:43:55,990 --> 00:43:49,920
caught fire

888
00:43:56,000 --> 00:44:01,270
that's kind of what i'm taking from it

889
00:44:06,390 --> 00:44:02,150
but

890
00:44:10,309 --> 00:44:09,349
it's interesting so yeah so

891
00:44:13,109 --> 00:44:10,319
um

892
00:44:16,390 --> 00:44:13,119
robert just mentioned this

893
00:44:18,470 --> 00:44:16,400
august 2nd 1946 at which time the caller

894
00:44:20,870 --> 00:44:18,480
stated that the b-25 was shot down from

895
00:44:23,430 --> 00:44:20,880
the air with 20 millimeter cannon that

896
00:44:25,829 --> 00:44:23,440
the marine plane found recently on mount

897
00:44:28,390 --> 00:44:25,839
rainer also had been shot down and that

898
00:44:30,550 --> 00:44:28,400
captain whoever would be taken to right

899
00:44:32,630 --> 00:44:30,560
field tuesday morning when the army

900
00:44:34,630 --> 00:44:32,640
authorities released the names of the

901
00:44:37,430 --> 00:44:34,640
dead intelligence officers which

902
00:44:44,069 --> 00:44:37,440
verified the information as given by the

903
00:44:52,309 --> 00:44:46,230
the tacoma times printed the story on

904
00:44:58,470 --> 00:44:55,589
so the anonymous caller had some

905
00:44:58,480 --> 00:45:02,230
pretty interesting

906
00:45:07,670 --> 00:45:05,430
just saying

907
00:45:09,030 --> 00:45:07,680
so i don't know if it's as easy as just

908
00:45:11,670 --> 00:45:09,040
chalking that up

909
00:45:15,990 --> 00:45:11,680
that one up as a hoax

910
00:45:24,150 --> 00:45:18,870
i don't think it's that simple

911
00:45:24,160 --> 00:45:28,309
um this one i wanted to

912
00:45:31,510 --> 00:45:29,829
show quick

913
00:45:33,990 --> 00:45:31,520
so this is actually

914
00:45:36,630 --> 00:45:34,000
there is a this is we're changing topics

915
00:45:40,309 --> 00:45:38,710
page 14. let's remember that so this is

916
00:45:45,510 --> 00:45:40,319
about a movie

917
00:45:45,520 --> 00:45:49,030
and it's

918
00:45:52,950 --> 00:45:50,230
you know they kind of went back and

919
00:45:54,309 --> 00:45:52,960
forth a lot with

920
00:45:56,550 --> 00:45:54,319
i'm just going to scroll through these

921
00:45:58,950 --> 00:45:56,560
things with the air force that i believe

922
00:46:01,990 --> 00:45:58,960
with this movie

923
00:46:05,109 --> 00:46:02,000
maker and how things are being portrayed

924
00:46:10,309 --> 00:46:07,510
i don't know if any i

925
00:46:12,390 --> 00:46:10,319
i don't know much about this uh movie i

926
00:46:13,750 --> 00:46:12,400
just found this so

927
00:46:16,150 --> 00:46:13,760
bear with me but

928
00:46:18,630 --> 00:46:16,160
you know things like this right here air

929
00:46:21,349 --> 00:46:18,640
defense command for bids goc link with

930
00:46:25,589 --> 00:46:22,950
an air defense command order which

931
00:46:27,910 --> 00:46:25,599
banned ground observer corps efforts to

932
00:46:30,870 --> 00:46:27,920
publicize a documentary ufo film that

933
00:46:33,309 --> 00:46:30,880
has recently been revealed to nycap the

934
00:46:36,230 --> 00:46:33,319
adc action followed a request by the

935
00:46:37,829 --> 00:46:36,240
4674th ground observers squadron miami

936
00:46:40,309 --> 00:46:37,839
to use the glc display in connection

937
00:46:51,030 --> 00:46:40,319
with the moving picture on identified

938
00:46:51,040 --> 00:46:57,589
that's a good point

939
00:46:57,599 --> 00:47:00,470
good point

940
00:47:00,480 --> 00:47:05,190
so this is pretty interesting

941
00:47:05,200 --> 00:47:09,829
l chop is up here l chop i remember

942
00:47:14,390 --> 00:47:12,069
yeah it talks about washington dc

943
00:47:15,349 --> 00:47:14,400
sightings um because the case was handed

944
00:47:17,829 --> 00:47:15,359
off to

945
00:47:21,190 --> 00:47:17,839
al chop i think

946
00:47:23,109 --> 00:47:21,200
sorry i'm going a little fast

947
00:47:24,950 --> 00:47:23,119
the official request to tie in the glc

948
00:47:27,109 --> 00:47:24,960
program with the documentary united

949
00:47:30,790 --> 00:47:27,119
artist films was made by captain william

950
00:47:33,910 --> 00:47:30,800
walburn ufaf commander of detachment 8

951
00:47:35,510 --> 00:47:33,920
46-74 squadron abc refusal seems to

952
00:47:37,670 --> 00:47:35,520
answer once and for all the question

953
00:47:39,670 --> 00:47:37,680
which nightcap members have frequently

954
00:47:41,349 --> 00:47:39,680
asked was the documentary film

955
00:47:43,190 --> 00:47:41,359
unidentified flying objects produced

956
00:47:45,589 --> 00:47:43,200
with air force cooperation or against

957
00:47:46,950 --> 00:47:45,599
its wishes from letters received it

958
00:47:48,630 --> 00:47:46,960
appears that less than half of

959
00:47:51,750 --> 00:47:48,640
nightcap's members saw this moving

960
00:47:53,990 --> 00:47:51,760
picture which includes the famous trent

961
00:47:56,549 --> 00:47:54,000
oh cool trimmington utah film taken by

962
00:47:57,589 --> 00:47:56,559
warrant officer dc newhouse and the

963
00:47:59,829 --> 00:47:57,599
movie

964
00:48:02,870 --> 00:47:59,839
of two ufos taken by nick

965
00:48:04,710 --> 00:48:02,880
marina of great falls montana even those

966
00:48:07,270 --> 00:48:04,720
who did see the picture may be unaware

967
00:48:09,190 --> 00:48:07,280
of the steps which led to public use of

968
00:48:11,030 --> 00:48:09,200
the new house and marina's shots the

969
00:48:13,990 --> 00:48:11,040
action for narrative purposes in the

970
00:48:15,910 --> 00:48:14,000
film is centered on albert shopp former

971
00:48:18,630 --> 00:48:15,920
air force public relations official who

972
00:48:21,349 --> 00:48:18,640
handled ufo information in the pentagon

973
00:48:23,510 --> 00:48:21,359
chop is now a nightcap special advisor

974
00:48:25,349 --> 00:48:23,520
interesting didn't know that uh cleared

975
00:48:27,829 --> 00:48:25,359
for special reports shop learned of the

976
00:48:30,309 --> 00:48:27,839
official analyzed marina film taken on

977
00:48:32,790 --> 00:48:30,319
august 15 1950 which shows the two

978
00:48:35,430 --> 00:48:32,800
silvery looking objects flying over the

979
00:48:37,750 --> 00:48:35,440
great falls baseball park and by the way

980
00:48:40,230 --> 00:48:37,760
they were moving against the wind

981
00:48:42,710 --> 00:48:40,240
in 1952 chap learned of the new house

982
00:48:44,950 --> 00:48:42,720
moving picture taken on july 2nd a color

983
00:48:47,750 --> 00:48:44,960
film which shows the formation of ufos

984
00:48:51,750 --> 00:48:47,760
maneuvering over utah later newhouse

985
00:48:54,150 --> 00:48:51,760
described the objects as resembling two

986
00:48:55,910 --> 00:48:54,160
pie pans

987
00:48:57,910 --> 00:48:55,920
one inverted on the top of the other the

988
00:48:59,829 --> 00:48:57,920
film was secretly analyzed for months

989
00:49:01,430 --> 00:48:59,839
first by the air force than by the navy

990
00:49:06,230 --> 00:49:01,440
conclusions the ufos were not

991
00:49:10,549 --> 00:49:07,910
l chop also took part in the story that

992
00:49:12,870 --> 00:49:10,559
made headlines in july 1952 during the

993
00:49:15,109 --> 00:49:12,880
ufo sightings of the washington national

994
00:49:16,870 --> 00:49:15,119
airport with major dewey fournette now a

995
00:49:19,109 --> 00:49:16,880
member of nightcap's board of gum

996
00:49:21,510 --> 00:49:19,119
governors watch control center radar

997
00:49:23,910 --> 00:49:21,520
experts track a group of mysterious

998
00:49:25,990 --> 00:49:23,920
objects both he and fournette also heard

999
00:49:27,829 --> 00:49:26,000
of an air force jet pilot's tense radio

1000
00:49:28,630 --> 00:49:27,839
report that the ufos were closing in on

1001
00:49:31,750 --> 00:49:28,640
them

1002
00:49:34,710 --> 00:49:31,760
on incident later related in the

1003
00:49:36,390 --> 00:49:34,720
documentary film

1004
00:49:38,549 --> 00:49:36,400
which i used some of that in my little

1005
00:49:41,109 --> 00:49:38,559
short secondary film for

1006
00:49:43,030 --> 00:49:41,119
uh when chop resigned in 1953 to take a

1007
00:49:45,030 --> 00:49:43,040
public relations job with an aircraft

1008
00:49:47,030 --> 00:49:45,040
firm he and captain rupault met in

1009
00:49:48,470 --> 00:49:47,040
california with the film producer

1010
00:49:50,150 --> 00:49:48,480
clarence

1011
00:49:52,790 --> 00:49:50,160
greenold

1012
00:49:54,470 --> 00:49:52,800
uh clarence green and the idea of the

1013
00:49:58,069 --> 00:49:54,480
movie ufo was born

1014
00:50:00,710 --> 00:49:58,079
uh by this time it rupe was on inactive

1015
00:50:03,190 --> 00:50:00,720
duty and free like chop to express his

1016
00:50:05,190 --> 00:50:03,200
personal beliefs green senior partner of

1017
00:50:07,109 --> 00:50:05,200
green rouse productions was strongly

1018
00:50:10,790 --> 00:50:07,119
interested because he had

1019
00:50:13,030 --> 00:50:10,800
seen a ufo a few years later

1020
00:50:15,349 --> 00:50:13,040
picture shows working together rupal

1021
00:50:18,710 --> 00:50:15,359
trap and clarence green

1022
00:50:21,270 --> 00:50:18,720
uh persuaded warrant officer

1023
00:50:21,280 --> 00:50:24,829
that's so funny

1024
00:50:31,190 --> 00:50:29,030
um i don't know if i have this banner

1025
00:50:32,790 --> 00:50:31,200
i could have something really neat to

1026
00:50:39,190 --> 00:50:32,800
throw at this quick

1027
00:50:39,200 --> 00:50:43,910
uh it looks like it deleted it

1028
00:50:47,670 --> 00:50:46,150
but i had like a clip of

1029
00:50:49,829 --> 00:50:47,680
this scene

1030
00:50:50,710 --> 00:50:49,839
those things are coming in strong real

1031
00:50:55,910 --> 00:50:50,720
strong

1032
00:51:05,109 --> 00:50:57,750
oh we got a new person sir hayes what's

1033
00:51:10,230 --> 00:51:07,750
what's happening brother

1034
00:51:13,510 --> 00:51:10,240
yes such nice people here man

1035
00:51:17,589 --> 00:51:16,390
so yeah that was interesting

1036
00:51:21,349 --> 00:51:17,599
um

1037
00:51:24,790 --> 00:51:21,359
but what i wanted to get to is

1038
00:51:30,710 --> 00:51:26,790
and this is kind of mysterious and i'm

1039
00:51:34,950 --> 00:51:33,430
um i'll do some more

1040
00:51:37,109 --> 00:51:34,960
investigating

1041
00:51:39,430 --> 00:51:37,119
after words

1042
00:51:40,790 --> 00:51:39,440
but i want to find the

1043
00:51:56,790 --> 00:51:40,800
oh interesting

1044
00:52:01,589 --> 00:51:58,470
pretty good

1045
00:52:05,270 --> 00:52:03,430
and so it talks about one and a half

1046
00:52:06,950 --> 00:52:05,280
months the undersigned ufo project

1047
00:52:08,630 --> 00:52:06,960
officer made numerous attempts in

1048
00:52:10,390 --> 00:52:08,640
repeated contacts with south side

1049
00:52:12,630 --> 00:52:10,400
agencies without success to either

1050
00:52:15,829 --> 00:52:12,640
obtain a copy or arrange a preview of

1051
00:52:20,549 --> 00:52:18,309
in a conference with lieutenant johnson

1052
00:52:23,109 --> 00:52:20,559
sanford's office dr heineck prime ufo

1053
00:52:24,950 --> 00:52:23,119
consultant

1054
00:52:26,870 --> 00:52:24,960
it was agreed that

1055
00:52:28,710 --> 00:52:26,880
addicts should review this film before

1056
00:52:34,069 --> 00:52:28,720
any wide scale release to the public for

1057
00:52:39,030 --> 00:52:37,030
that is the preparation of some official

1058
00:52:44,630 --> 00:52:39,040
comment to be kept in readiness to

1059
00:52:48,870 --> 00:52:47,109
etic photo specialist attic photo

1060
00:52:51,829 --> 00:52:48,880
specialist magic

1061
00:52:53,829 --> 00:52:51,839
buckmaster what a last name eh

1062
00:52:56,390 --> 00:52:53,839
major buckmaster here

1063
00:52:59,589 --> 00:52:56,400
and major will willner we're giving

1064
00:53:01,109 --> 00:52:59,599
copies of the original mariana and

1065
00:53:02,790 --> 00:53:01,119
requests that they reviewed the strips

1066
00:53:04,630 --> 00:53:02,800
for the purpose of making some

1067
00:53:07,030 --> 00:53:04,640
comparative analysis after the hollywood

1068
00:53:09,670 --> 00:53:07,040
version is shown interesting

1069
00:53:11,430 --> 00:53:09,680
uh dr heineck has been contacted and

1070
00:53:13,030 --> 00:53:11,440
will leave columbus in sufficient time

1071
00:53:14,630 --> 00:53:13,040
to review the film comments resulting

1072
00:53:16,870 --> 00:53:14,640
from discussions between heineck and

1073
00:53:18,630 --> 00:53:16,880
photo specialist should be most helpful

1074
00:53:22,150 --> 00:53:18,640
in drafting some final comment

1075
00:53:23,829 --> 00:53:22,160
reflecting the air force viewpoint

1076
00:53:27,990 --> 00:53:23,839
pretty worried about that aren't they

1077
00:53:31,270 --> 00:53:29,349
there's a lot of stuff in here

1078
00:53:33,430 --> 00:53:31,280
washington radar citing totally

1079
00:53:39,430 --> 00:53:33,440
unrelated i mean it's related to the

1080
00:53:39,440 --> 00:53:46,150
um

1081
00:53:51,109 --> 00:53:47,829
the department of defense minutes a

1082
00:53:53,510 --> 00:53:51,119
press conference held uh yep samford

1083
00:53:54,790 --> 00:53:53,520
copy and file both attic bio it was

1084
00:53:57,030 --> 00:53:54,800
explained to the press that these

1085
00:53:58,549 --> 00:53:57,040
sightings may have been the result of a

1086
00:54:00,390 --> 00:53:58,559
combination of factors temperature

1087
00:54:02,790 --> 00:54:00,400
inversions moisture elapses in

1088
00:54:05,430 --> 00:54:02,800
atmospheric conditions which led to been

1089
00:54:07,270 --> 00:54:05,440
radars uh such manner that undetected

1090
00:54:10,710 --> 00:54:07,280
ground targets yeah

1091
00:54:12,549 --> 00:54:10,720
oh that's such [\h__\h]

1092
00:54:14,870 --> 00:54:12,559
i mean i have a video up on my page

1093
00:54:16,870 --> 00:54:14,880
right now

1094
00:54:18,470 --> 00:54:16,880
that you can look at that debunks the

1095
00:54:20,790 --> 00:54:18,480
crap out of that

1096
00:54:24,549 --> 00:54:20,800
because there are eyewitnesses

1097
00:54:26,470 --> 00:54:24,559
in planes and on the ground

1098
00:54:28,390 --> 00:54:26,480
and

1099
00:54:29,990 --> 00:54:28,400
you know what they said was

1100
00:54:32,549 --> 00:54:30,000
um

1101
00:54:34,470 --> 00:54:32,559
that the wit that the eyewitnesses

1102
00:54:36,309 --> 00:54:34,480
happened to have their sightings at the

1103
00:54:39,829 --> 00:54:36,319
same place the temperature inversions

1104
00:54:43,910 --> 00:54:39,839
took place which is a complete

1105
00:54:48,390 --> 00:54:46,710
and the documents say that

1106
00:54:50,150 --> 00:54:48,400
the documents tell you where the eye

1107
00:54:50,829 --> 00:54:50,160
sightings were

1108
00:54:52,390 --> 00:54:50,839
the

1109
00:54:54,950 --> 00:54:52,400
visuals

1110
00:54:57,109 --> 00:54:54,960
which were not

1111
00:54:59,109 --> 00:54:57,119
where the um temperature inversions

1112
00:55:01,030 --> 00:54:59,119
would be also

1113
00:55:04,309 --> 00:55:01,040
for a lot of the sightings

1114
00:55:10,150 --> 00:55:05,430
the

1115
00:55:12,470 --> 00:55:10,160
uh typically happen at like sunset and

1116
00:55:14,789 --> 00:55:12,480
um sunrise right because that's when the

1117
00:55:16,950 --> 00:55:14,799
temperature changes are really happening

1118
00:55:20,230 --> 00:55:16,960
um for the most part um when the

1119
00:55:21,990 --> 00:55:20,240
sightings occurred that's not typical um

1120
00:55:23,910 --> 00:55:22,000
temperature inversion time

1121
00:55:29,430 --> 00:55:23,920
it's like 11 at night and so on and so

1122
00:55:32,230 --> 00:55:30,549
um

1123
00:55:34,069 --> 00:55:32,240
in the house case but

1124
00:55:35,829 --> 00:55:34,079
neither of these are what i wanted to

1125
00:55:38,390 --> 00:55:35,839
get to i just got caught up on it

1126
00:55:40,549 --> 00:55:38,400
because it's kind of

1127
00:55:45,829 --> 00:55:40,559
interesting

1128
00:55:52,870 --> 00:55:48,870
so here we have douglas aircraft company

1129
00:55:58,710 --> 00:55:55,750
mr rocklin this office is in receipt of

1130
00:56:01,190 --> 00:55:58,720
the extremely able analysis performed by

1131
00:56:03,910 --> 00:56:01,200
the douglas aircraft company

1132
00:56:06,069 --> 00:56:03,920
on the film of an unidentified flying

1133
00:56:07,670 --> 00:56:06,079
object photographed by

1134
00:56:10,390 --> 00:56:07,680
mr marina

1135
00:56:12,549 --> 00:56:10,400
in august 1950 and interposes no

1136
00:56:14,390 --> 00:56:12,559
objections to the release of this report

1137
00:56:16,390 --> 00:56:14,400
and whole or in part to the green rail

1138
00:56:17,990 --> 00:56:16,400
studios

1139
00:56:20,230 --> 00:56:18,000
so why are

1140
00:56:22,710 --> 00:56:20,240
this douglas aircraft company in santa

1141
00:56:27,589 --> 00:56:22,720
monica california which is also where i

1142
00:56:33,829 --> 00:56:31,430
why are they looking this over

1143
00:56:39,829 --> 00:56:33,839
douglas aircraft company is now

1144
00:56:43,190 --> 00:56:41,670
could be wrong but i think

1145
00:56:45,670 --> 00:56:43,200
it went through a different couple

1146
00:56:46,950 --> 00:56:45,680
different phases but i think one of the

1147
00:56:48,390 --> 00:56:46,960
big people

1148
00:56:54,950 --> 00:56:48,400
whether it's um

1149
00:56:54,960 --> 00:56:59,510
pretty interesting

1150
00:57:04,069 --> 00:57:01,270
um see i don't know what this is in

1151
00:57:07,589 --> 00:57:04,079
reference to there is a paragraph

1152
00:57:09,430 --> 00:57:07,599
uh three of his note but it's hand

1153
00:57:11,270 --> 00:57:09,440
written

1154
00:57:13,109 --> 00:57:11,280
and

1155
00:57:16,390 --> 00:57:13,119
i don't know

1156
00:57:18,470 --> 00:57:16,400
you just said it rand it brand ran was

1157
00:57:20,950 --> 00:57:18,480
in santa monica it started as

1158
00:57:23,750 --> 00:57:20,960
project rand an actual arm of the

1159
00:57:27,430 --> 00:57:23,760
government but then they um decided that

1160
00:57:28,549 --> 00:57:27,440
they need to open things up for

1161
00:57:30,950 --> 00:57:28,559
bidding

1162
00:57:33,349 --> 00:57:30,960
so to speak or competition so

1163
00:57:35,990 --> 00:57:33,359
they left and became a non-profit

1164
00:57:37,349 --> 00:57:36,000
organization so that could happen

1165
00:57:41,030 --> 00:57:37,359
but

1166
00:57:43,430 --> 00:57:41,040
subsequently rand has been on these

1167
00:57:45,750 --> 00:57:43,440
on blue book documents

1168
00:57:46,950 --> 00:57:45,760
in every important time

1169
00:57:49,190 --> 00:57:46,960
throughout

1170
00:57:51,109 --> 00:57:49,200
at least a 20-year history

1171
00:57:54,789 --> 00:57:51,119
tony recorded history

1172
00:57:55,000 --> 00:57:54,799
um you can't say that for lockheed

1173
00:57:56,150 --> 00:57:55,010
or

1174
00:58:00,870 --> 00:57:56,160
[Music]

1175
00:58:07,990 --> 00:58:02,470
they're definitely on stuff but not as

1176
00:58:11,589 --> 00:58:10,069
and other companies kind of you know

1177
00:58:15,349 --> 00:58:11,599
here and there

1178
00:58:15,359 --> 00:58:22,789
so i'm interested in this

1179
00:58:26,470 --> 00:58:24,470
the film was damaged condition one

1180
00:58:30,150 --> 00:58:26,480
received and this was acknowledged i

1181
00:58:33,190 --> 00:58:31,270
uh

1182
00:58:39,589 --> 00:58:33,200
nuance and tiny details with all this

1183
00:58:44,150 --> 00:58:41,829
my previous release of this report

1184
00:58:46,230 --> 00:58:44,160
analysis of reports have

1185
00:58:49,190 --> 00:58:46,240
represented the critical analysis of all

1186
00:58:50,950 --> 00:58:49,200
reports and sightings from 47 to 55.

1187
00:58:52,870 --> 00:58:50,960
um

1188
00:58:56,870 --> 00:58:52,880
i actually put that i believe on my

1189
00:59:00,549 --> 00:58:58,549
it includes the efforts of many highly

1190
00:59:03,109 --> 00:59:00,559
competent scientists and investigator

1191
00:59:04,950 --> 00:59:03,119
specialists reports used were derived

1192
00:59:06,549 --> 00:59:04,960
from all sources ranging from well-known

1193
00:59:08,470 --> 00:59:06,559
scientists experienced pilots to the

1194
00:59:10,549 --> 00:59:08,480
average man on the street this report is

1195
00:59:19,030 --> 00:59:10,559
made available for examination maybe

1196
00:59:23,750 --> 00:59:20,630
uh the air force will continue to

1197
00:59:25,349 --> 00:59:23,760
investigate so why

1198
00:59:28,150 --> 00:59:25,359
harold watson am i missing something

1199
00:59:28,160 --> 00:59:30,789
oh

1200
00:59:37,910 --> 00:59:33,270
totally got this wrong okay rocklin is

1201
00:59:42,710 --> 00:59:40,069
and the air force is writing

1202
00:59:53,510 --> 00:59:49,829
totally got that wrong

1203
00:59:55,109 --> 00:59:53,520
um

1204
00:59:56,870 --> 00:59:55,119
and here they say there's a total lack

1205
00:59:58,309 --> 00:59:56,880
of evidence that the phenomenon observed

1206
01:00:00,710 --> 00:59:58,319
have

1207
01:00:02,069 --> 01:00:00,720
hostile force behind them interplanetary

1208
01:00:04,230 --> 01:00:02,079
vehicles

1209
01:00:07,589 --> 01:00:04,240
total

1210
01:00:10,950 --> 01:00:07,599
it every time right

1211
01:00:15,030 --> 01:00:13,430
is a total lack how about just a lack

1212
01:00:17,030 --> 01:00:15,040
you know what you think total's going to

1213
01:00:19,430 --> 01:00:17,040
really bring it home

1214
01:00:22,950 --> 01:00:19,440
these people in the 40s and 50s i tell

1215
01:00:26,470 --> 01:00:24,950
we must apologize for the delay and

1216
01:00:29,589 --> 01:00:26,480
replying to your letter but we had to

1217
01:00:31,430 --> 01:00:29,599
figure out what the [\h__\h] to say

1218
01:00:35,750 --> 01:00:31,440
why did these things keep coming up i

1219
01:00:41,670 --> 01:00:37,750
these uh you guys saw that comment that

1220
01:00:44,870 --> 01:00:41,680
just came in i don't know what that is

1221
01:00:44,880 --> 01:00:49,270
virtual bug or something i don't know

1222
01:00:52,549 --> 01:00:50,789
okay

1223
01:00:56,630 --> 01:00:52,559
so

1224
01:00:58,950 --> 01:00:56,640
that was another interesting story

1225
01:01:00,870 --> 01:00:58,960
um we have

1226
01:01:02,789 --> 01:01:00,880
oh do you want you want to see the

1227
01:01:04,870 --> 01:01:02,799
document well i don't have it uploaded

1228
01:01:08,950 --> 01:01:04,880
online but i can quick

1229
01:01:14,390 --> 01:01:12,630
i can if you want to just give me a

1230
01:01:23,030 --> 01:01:14,400
second

1231
01:01:23,040 --> 01:01:27,270
this might actually

1232
01:01:35,190 --> 01:01:29,510
take a little while

1233
01:01:35,200 --> 01:01:41,430
shouldn't take too long at all

1234
01:01:45,270 --> 01:01:43,349
copy the link

1235
01:01:48,150 --> 01:01:45,280
and we will

1236
01:01:56,230 --> 01:01:53,190
there you go

1237
01:01:59,670 --> 01:01:56,240
you got it

1238
01:02:01,510 --> 01:01:59,680
you got the file i got

1239
01:02:03,750 --> 01:02:01,520
how's that

1240
01:02:06,390 --> 01:02:03,760
um and then

1241
01:02:09,109 --> 01:02:06,400
i think there was the i don't know if

1242
01:02:12,789 --> 01:02:09,119
you wanted to see the 1947 one

1243
01:02:19,510 --> 01:02:15,109
oh i already uploaded it man this stuff

1244
01:02:25,349 --> 01:02:22,390
and i will make sure that

1245
01:02:34,549 --> 01:02:25,359
it is available

1246
01:02:38,069 --> 01:02:36,150
and

1247
01:02:39,589 --> 01:02:38,079
oh

1248
01:02:41,029 --> 01:02:39,599
boom

1249
01:02:44,549 --> 01:02:41,039
so i got the stuff

1250
01:02:51,670 --> 01:02:49,750
i did want to go over one more thing

1251
01:02:57,990 --> 01:02:51,680
just one more thing

1252
01:03:01,829 --> 01:03:00,069
take a sip of water and all that stuff

1253
01:03:04,950 --> 01:03:01,839
so this is actually a pretty good thing

1254
01:03:09,190 --> 01:03:07,670
this is

1255
01:03:11,430 --> 01:03:09,200
um

1256
01:03:15,349 --> 01:03:11,440
zamora from socorro

1257
01:03:17,190 --> 01:03:15,359
i'm giving an interview on the radio

1258
01:03:19,670 --> 01:03:17,200
so i'll take a break i'll come back i'll

1259
01:03:21,589 --> 01:03:19,680
finish what i wanted to do

1260
01:03:23,109 --> 01:03:21,599
keep hanging out

1261
01:03:25,029 --> 01:03:23,119
don't hang out whatever you want to do

1262
01:03:27,430 --> 01:03:25,039
it's cool with me

1263
01:03:30,069 --> 01:03:27,440
this is walter schrode your roving

1264
01:03:33,349 --> 01:03:30,079
reporter at ksrc radio in socorro new

1265
01:03:35,750 --> 01:03:33,359
mexico we have with us this afternoon mr

1266
01:03:38,230 --> 01:03:35,760
lonnie zamora the socorro patrolman that

1267
01:03:40,870 --> 01:03:38,240
while chasing a car found himself in an

1268
01:03:43,670 --> 01:03:40,880
area about two miles west of socorro and

1269
01:03:45,910 --> 01:03:43,680
one mile east of ksrc radio station at

1270
01:03:49,190 --> 01:03:45,920
which time he reports he came upon an

1271
01:03:51,589 --> 01:03:49,200
unidentified object resting on four legs

1272
01:03:54,230 --> 01:03:51,599
that as he drew closer the object took

1273
01:03:57,029 --> 01:03:54,240
off with a loud roar spouting blue red

1274
01:03:58,789 --> 01:03:57,039
flame and disappeared in the sky a great

1275
01:04:00,630 --> 01:03:58,799
number of cars in socorro people have

1276
01:04:03,910 --> 01:04:00,640
gathered here in front of the studios of

1277
01:04:06,069 --> 01:04:03,920
ksrc to catch a glimpse of mr zamora as

1278
01:04:09,349 --> 01:04:06,079
he arrived and welcome him with their

1279
01:04:11,910 --> 01:04:09,359
car horns mr zamora after coming upon

1280
01:04:14,309 --> 01:04:11,920
this object just what did happen i went

1281
01:04:15,670 --> 01:04:14,319
up that little road

1282
01:04:17,750 --> 01:04:15,680
for about

1283
01:04:18,789 --> 01:04:17,760
half a mile i guess

1284
01:04:20,789 --> 01:04:18,799
uh

1285
01:04:22,870 --> 01:04:20,799
came up to this little

1286
01:04:24,069 --> 01:04:22,880
parking deal there on the side of the

1287
01:04:27,750 --> 01:04:24,079
road and i

1288
01:04:30,870 --> 01:04:27,760
fought a glance at the of the window

1289
01:04:32,390 --> 01:04:30,880
look to my left continuous white

1290
01:04:35,270 --> 01:04:32,400
object

1291
01:04:39,510 --> 01:04:37,670
so i thought it might be a car that

1292
01:04:41,430 --> 01:04:39,520
turned over

1293
01:04:43,190 --> 01:04:41,440
so i also remember the real i think

1294
01:04:46,069 --> 01:04:43,200
harry going out there to investigate

1295
01:04:47,109 --> 01:04:46,079
thought maybe somebody would be hurt

1296
01:04:50,549 --> 01:04:47,119
uh

1297
01:04:53,510 --> 01:04:50,559
that time i saw this white ache

1298
01:04:55,349 --> 01:04:53,520
tape hey looking object

1299
01:04:56,069 --> 01:04:55,359
it looks something like a like an egg

1300
01:04:57,910 --> 01:04:56,079
name

1301
01:05:00,789 --> 01:04:57,920
from the distance i was that looked like

1302
01:05:03,589 --> 01:05:00,799
a lake to me about the size of that car

1303
01:05:05,829 --> 01:05:03,599
i think someone said yes sorry look like

1304
01:05:09,349 --> 01:05:05,839
the cart had turned over

1305
01:05:11,109 --> 01:05:09,359
the side of the car and didn't have any

1306
01:05:12,390 --> 01:05:11,119
kind of markings out of any kind that

1307
01:05:14,549 --> 01:05:12,400
you noticed

1308
01:05:16,710 --> 01:05:14,559
yes it did

1309
01:05:18,069 --> 01:05:16,720
not from that

1310
01:05:20,230 --> 01:05:18,079
that

1311
01:05:21,349 --> 01:05:20,240
far i didn't see the markings when i

1312
01:05:23,910 --> 01:05:21,359
went up

1313
01:05:26,630 --> 01:05:23,920
closer to it i did see the markings

1314
01:05:29,190 --> 01:05:26,640
and someone said that uh the markings

1315
01:05:31,589 --> 01:05:29,200
that you saw it was an an upside down b

1316
01:05:33,750 --> 01:05:31,599
with three lines running through it

1317
01:05:37,270 --> 01:05:33,760
no sir i couldn't tell you that because

1318
01:05:39,990 --> 01:05:38,150
they don't want you to say anything

1319
01:05:42,069 --> 01:05:40,000
about the markings all right we won't

1320
01:05:44,069 --> 01:05:42,079
question you on that and if we run into

1321
01:05:45,990 --> 01:05:44,079
an area that they don't want you to talk

1322
01:05:48,069 --> 01:05:46,000
about when you just say so

1323
01:05:49,829 --> 01:05:48,079
and this happened about 5 30 friday

1324
01:05:52,549 --> 01:05:49,839
afternoon

1325
01:05:55,270 --> 01:05:52,559
happened about 5 50 about 10 minutes and

1326
01:05:57,589 --> 01:05:55,280
six about 10 minutes to six and uh you

1327
01:05:59,430 --> 01:05:57,599
did place a call in to sergeant tavis of

1328
01:06:01,430 --> 01:05:59,440
the state police to come on out and help

1329
01:06:03,349 --> 01:06:01,440
you with the investigation as soon as i

1330
01:06:05,109 --> 01:06:03,359
saw his object

1331
01:06:08,309 --> 01:06:05,119
i didn't know what it was

1332
01:06:09,829 --> 01:06:08,319
i placed a call to uh arden chalice he

1333
01:06:11,670 --> 01:06:09,839
looked capably

1334
01:06:12,870 --> 01:06:11,680
told me he would come out there and help

1335
01:06:15,510 --> 01:06:12,880
me on this

1336
01:06:17,029 --> 01:06:15,520
he said yes i'll be right there in about

1337
01:06:19,589 --> 01:06:17,039
a few minutes

1338
01:06:22,150 --> 01:06:19,599
and he arrived uh just about two or

1339
01:06:24,950 --> 01:06:22,160
three minutes after the object had taken

1340
01:06:26,549 --> 01:06:24,960
off and and left well the update was

1341
01:06:29,910 --> 01:06:26,559
still

1342
01:06:32,390 --> 01:06:29,920
about a couple of months up there when

1343
01:06:34,069 --> 01:06:32,400
he arrived i was still at that direction

1344
01:06:35,589 --> 01:06:34,079
it went it was that was over the top of

1345
01:06:38,789 --> 01:06:35,599
the mountain and we've heard several

1346
01:06:41,029 --> 01:06:38,799
reports that it flew low or like it was

1347
01:06:43,670 --> 01:06:41,039
dragging something and we've heard some

1348
01:06:45,430 --> 01:06:43,680
uh it was very low to the ground at the

1349
01:06:46,549 --> 01:06:45,440
time i was seeing that it was very low

1350
01:06:48,470 --> 01:06:46,559
to the ground

1351
01:06:50,390 --> 01:06:48,480
up to the perlite the

1352
01:06:51,589 --> 01:06:50,400
mill there and then it started getting

1353
01:06:54,870 --> 01:06:51,599
the altitude

1354
01:06:58,309 --> 01:06:54,880
now i also uh reported to me that when

1355
01:07:00,150 --> 01:06:58,319
you first drove up into this area and

1356
01:07:03,510 --> 01:07:00,160
sighted this object that the motors were

1357
01:07:05,750 --> 01:07:03,520
running and it was going uh

1358
01:07:08,150 --> 01:07:05,760
or some sort of such sound as that is

1359
01:07:11,510 --> 01:07:08,160
that uh correct oh

1360
01:07:14,470 --> 01:07:11,520
cool because it has been so fast

1361
01:07:15,829 --> 01:07:14,480
i started running those scared well i

1362
01:07:17,990 --> 01:07:15,839
don't blame you there's a thought

1363
01:07:20,789 --> 01:07:18,000
something even scared me yet

1364
01:07:22,630 --> 01:07:20,799
uh now you didn't say that you saw uh

1365
01:07:24,710 --> 01:07:22,640
two what appeared to be people dressed

1366
01:07:37,029 --> 01:07:24,720
in white uniforms with uh did they have

1367
01:07:42,470 --> 01:07:38,789
you couldn't identify them as actually

1368
01:07:45,670 --> 01:07:42,480
being a human being

1369
01:07:47,029 --> 01:07:45,680
uh and uh but

1370
01:07:51,589 --> 01:07:47,039
you didn't know where they turned and

1371
01:07:53,029 --> 01:07:51,599
saw you or or what then well uh

1372
01:07:54,390 --> 01:07:53,039
to my

1373
01:07:57,510 --> 01:07:54,400
i would say

1374
01:07:58,549 --> 01:07:57,520
this this white object turned and told

1375
01:08:00,150 --> 01:07:58,559
me

1376
01:08:01,990 --> 01:08:00,160
when they two of them

1377
01:08:04,309 --> 01:08:02,000
i would say were two because one was

1378
01:08:05,109 --> 01:08:04,319
from france and the others have to come

1379
01:08:07,670 --> 01:08:05,119
back

1380
01:08:10,870 --> 01:08:07,680
did you have a chance to

1381
01:08:12,390 --> 01:08:10,880
uh right so i am back if you want to

1382
01:08:16,470 --> 01:08:12,400
finish that

1383
01:08:20,390 --> 01:08:18,550
um

1384
01:08:22,870 --> 01:08:20,400
it'd be interesting to get your take on

1385
01:08:26,149 --> 01:08:22,880
this case

1386
01:08:27,910 --> 01:08:26,159
um there is also like

1387
01:08:29,829 --> 01:08:27,920
i would finish listening to that and

1388
01:08:31,829 --> 01:08:29,839
then also there's a four minute

1389
01:08:35,430 --> 01:08:31,839
recording in there of heineken giving it

1390
01:08:41,030 --> 01:08:39,110
and heinek says

1391
01:08:42,070 --> 01:08:41,040
that he never

1392
01:08:44,229 --> 01:08:42,080
that

1393
01:08:46,070 --> 01:08:44,239
zamora never told him about

1394
01:08:47,910 --> 01:08:46,080
beings

1395
01:08:49,430 --> 01:08:47,920
or

1396
01:08:51,510 --> 01:08:49,440
and no one ever told him to not say

1397
01:08:53,510 --> 01:08:51,520
anything about the emblem and that is

1398
01:08:55,189 --> 01:08:53,520
completely contradictory with zamora's

1399
01:08:56,630 --> 01:08:55,199
interview

1400
01:09:00,229 --> 01:08:56,640
so

1401
01:09:05,590 --> 01:09:02,950
take a listen because that is very

1402
01:09:05,600 --> 01:09:09,030
to me

1403
01:09:13,030 --> 01:09:10,709
maybe not to you

1404
01:09:18,070 --> 01:09:13,040
okay so this is the last thing that i

1405
01:09:18,080 --> 01:09:22,709
and i think it's pretty

1406
01:09:26,709 --> 01:09:24,789
legit

1407
01:09:28,630 --> 01:09:26,719
so this happened in

1408
01:09:30,789 --> 01:09:28,640
um 2015

1409
01:09:34,390 --> 01:09:30,799
ensuring aviation safety in the era of

1410
01:09:36,390 --> 01:09:34,400
unmanned aircraft systems

1411
01:09:38,229 --> 01:09:36,400
subcommittee on aviation committee on

1412
01:09:41,910 --> 01:09:38,239
transportation infrastructure house of

1413
01:09:41,920 --> 01:09:46,950
and i'm going to go through some of the

1414
01:09:46,960 --> 01:09:50,390
very interesting

1415
01:09:50,400 --> 01:09:54,390
conversations that they had

1416
01:09:57,669 --> 01:09:55,910
some of which

1417
01:09:59,990 --> 01:09:57,679
i don't know if you

1418
01:10:04,149 --> 01:10:00,000
know about this stuff i wasn't involved

1419
01:10:05,910 --> 01:10:04,159
in this field around then so maybe

1420
01:10:08,470 --> 01:10:05,920
it was the thing within this community

1421
01:10:11,830 --> 01:10:08,480
and i just didn't know but

1422
01:10:16,390 --> 01:10:11,840
i'm going to get to

1423
01:10:20,070 --> 01:10:17,990
so basically they're talking about

1424
01:10:22,470 --> 01:10:20,080
unmanned aircraft

1425
01:10:23,590 --> 01:10:22,480
and drones

1426
01:10:25,590 --> 01:10:23,600
and

1427
01:10:26,950 --> 01:10:25,600
like small craft drones

1428
01:10:29,189 --> 01:10:26,960
and how

1429
01:10:30,790 --> 01:10:29,199
700 000 of them

1430
01:10:32,630 --> 01:10:30,800
were basically purchased and this

1431
01:10:34,550 --> 01:10:32,640
upcoming year was going to go to like a

1432
01:10:36,229 --> 01:10:34,560
million and they're having really big

1433
01:10:37,990 --> 01:10:36,239
problems with

1434
01:10:41,750 --> 01:10:38,000
um people

1435
01:10:47,590 --> 01:10:41,760
of flying these in places they shouldn't

1436
01:10:59,750 --> 01:10:54,709
let me get to it

1437
01:11:02,310 --> 01:10:59,760
so here's uh one of the incidents

1438
01:11:04,630 --> 01:11:02,320
so the most serious incident includes

1439
01:11:06,870 --> 01:11:04,640
two actual crashes involving government

1440
01:11:09,030 --> 01:11:06,880
authorized military drones there are

1441
01:11:11,110 --> 01:11:09,040
also sightings of public entities and

1442
01:11:13,430 --> 01:11:11,120
commercial operators that may be flying

1443
01:11:14,870 --> 01:11:13,440
with or without authorization the most

1444
01:11:17,910 --> 01:11:14,880
recent sighting or incident where the

1445
01:11:19,990 --> 01:11:17,920
faa has assessed a fine to a commercial

1446
01:11:22,630 --> 01:11:20,000
operator indicates that the operations

1447
01:11:24,950 --> 01:11:22,640
occurring in our space go well beyond

1448
01:11:27,110 --> 01:11:24,960
hobbyist activity and others

1449
01:11:29,110 --> 01:11:27,120
may not even be drones but rather

1450
01:11:32,390 --> 01:11:29,120
balloons birds model rockets and many

1451
01:11:37,270 --> 01:11:35,030
and so

1452
01:11:39,030 --> 01:11:37,280
this summer the faa this is 2015

1453
01:11:40,630 --> 01:11:39,040
released hundreds of pilot reports on

1454
01:11:42,229 --> 01:11:40,640
uas sightings

1455
01:11:44,550 --> 01:11:42,239
the numbers show more encounters are

1456
01:11:47,110 --> 01:11:44,560
happening more often non-commercial and

1457
01:11:49,110 --> 01:11:47,120
recreational uas operations appear to be

1458
01:11:52,390 --> 01:11:49,120
the primary source here are a few

1459
01:11:54,390 --> 01:11:52,400
examples pilots operating

1460
01:11:56,229 --> 01:11:54,400
and all cargo flight near san jose

1461
01:11:58,470 --> 01:11:56,239
reported a close encounter with the uas

1462
01:11:59,669 --> 01:11:58,480
flying 60 to 70 feet to the left of the

1463
01:12:02,149 --> 01:11:59,679
aircraft

1464
01:12:04,149 --> 01:12:02,159
they subsequently

1465
01:12:06,630 --> 01:12:04,159
described it as a four-bladed and

1466
01:12:10,310 --> 01:12:06,640
x-shaped

1467
01:12:12,149 --> 01:12:10,320
uh we know that to be a drone

1468
01:12:14,310 --> 01:12:12,159
as an airline captain i can tell you if

1469
01:12:15,590 --> 01:12:14,320
a pilot is able to report this level of

1470
01:12:18,229 --> 01:12:15,600
detail

1471
01:12:20,229 --> 01:12:18,239
the uas is way too close also multiple

1472
01:12:22,070 --> 01:12:20,239
uas were recently reported by three

1473
01:12:23,750 --> 01:12:22,080
airliners on final approach newark

1474
01:12:25,750 --> 01:12:23,760
liberty international airport in the

1475
01:12:28,310 --> 01:12:25,760
april pilot reported a blue metallic

1476
01:12:30,070 --> 01:12:28,320
drone past about 100 to 200 feet under

1477
01:12:33,910 --> 01:12:30,080
the left wing of the airliner arriving

1478
01:12:38,070 --> 01:12:36,470
for pilots these uas literally appear

1479
01:12:39,830 --> 01:12:38,080
out of the blue

1480
01:12:42,470 --> 01:12:39,840
they're much smaller

1481
01:12:44,390 --> 01:12:42,480
than other aircraft some uas do not have

1482
01:12:45,750 --> 01:12:44,400
lights they have limited contrast

1483
01:12:47,430 --> 01:12:45,760
against the visual background and they

1484
01:12:49,590 --> 01:12:47,440
have much more

1485
01:12:51,830 --> 01:12:49,600
uh they move much more slowly than

1486
01:12:56,870 --> 01:12:51,840
airliners as a result these uas are

1487
01:12:59,189 --> 01:12:57,750
so

1488
01:13:01,189 --> 01:12:59,199
there's a couple people talking this

1489
01:13:05,830 --> 01:13:01,199
person i believe is like the director of

1490
01:13:10,870 --> 01:13:08,470
mr cannell was uh the one like one of

1491
01:13:13,430 --> 01:13:10,880
the congressmen or whatever um asking

1492
01:13:15,510 --> 01:13:13,440
questions in this example you can see

1493
01:13:17,590 --> 01:13:15,520
how the white color of the uas blends in

1494
01:13:19,350 --> 01:13:17,600
with the sky imagine so they showed a

1495
01:13:21,350 --> 01:13:19,360
video i'd love to see that imagine

1496
01:13:23,830 --> 01:13:21,360
trying to detect the uas while floating

1497
01:13:25,510 --> 01:13:23,840
at 280 miles an hour

1498
01:13:27,750 --> 01:13:25,520
the number of near-miss events that have

1499
01:13:29,990 --> 01:13:27,760
occurred in such a short period of time

1500
01:13:31,830 --> 01:13:30,000
and demonstrate the risk the growth in

1501
01:13:33,510 --> 01:13:31,840
the use of these systems shows the

1502
01:13:35,990 --> 01:13:33,520
hazards will only increase and the

1503
01:13:37,990 --> 01:13:36,000
united states must put safety first the

1504
01:13:41,510 --> 01:13:38,000
faa is making progress but we still need

1505
01:13:43,189 --> 01:13:41,520
to do more while work on the final rule

1506
01:13:45,669 --> 01:13:43,199
regarding small commercial uas

1507
01:13:48,790 --> 01:13:45,679
operations is encouraging the agency

1508
01:13:49,910 --> 01:13:48,800
must immediately address uas operations

1509
01:13:55,510 --> 01:13:49,920
including recreational and

1510
01:14:00,470 --> 01:13:58,070
to date faa has investigated hundreds of

1511
01:14:03,270 --> 01:14:00,480
incidents with uas operating outside

1512
01:14:05,750 --> 01:14:03,280
existing regulations earlier this week

1513
01:14:07,750 --> 01:14:05,760
proposed 1.9 civil penalty against a

1514
01:14:09,510 --> 01:14:07,760
company that knowingly conducted dozens

1515
01:14:13,830 --> 01:14:09,520
of unauthorized flights over chicago and

1516
01:14:18,310 --> 01:14:16,310
recognize tech is continuing to involve

1517
01:14:19,750 --> 01:14:18,320
this is also true for many technologies

1518
01:14:21,990 --> 01:14:19,760
that could further advance safety and

1519
01:14:25,030 --> 01:14:22,000
capabilities of the aircraft so their

1520
01:14:27,590 --> 01:14:25,040
issue here was um

1521
01:14:31,189 --> 01:14:27,600
doing too much

1522
01:14:32,550 --> 01:14:31,199
oversight over the small drone

1523
01:14:34,709 --> 01:14:32,560
economy

1524
01:14:37,030 --> 01:14:34,719
so that it would wouldn't die

1525
01:14:38,870 --> 01:14:37,040
basically

1526
01:14:43,350 --> 01:14:38,880
but that they could also keep the

1527
01:14:46,870 --> 01:14:44,550
because there were a lot of encounters

1528
01:14:50,950 --> 01:14:46,880
another encounter was um again this is

1529
01:14:55,669 --> 01:14:53,510
one of the encounters was um

1530
01:14:57,590 --> 01:14:55,679
a forest fire guy explaining how they

1531
01:14:59,030 --> 01:14:57,600
were trying to put out forest fires and

1532
01:15:00,229 --> 01:14:59,040
that there was so much drone activity in

1533
01:15:07,430 --> 01:15:00,239
the area they had to shut down

1534
01:15:10,950 --> 01:15:09,669
and then they talk about uas insurance

1535
01:15:12,550 --> 01:15:10,960
policy

1536
01:15:16,470 --> 01:15:12,560
which has actually come up recently with

1537
01:15:21,030 --> 01:15:18,709
inherent risk in operations of uas which

1538
01:15:22,870 --> 01:15:21,040
will be amplified and exasperated by the

1539
01:15:24,709 --> 01:15:22,880
peripheral nation of their numbers uses

1540
01:15:26,630 --> 01:15:24,719
and capabilities the requisite

1541
01:15:27,990 --> 01:15:26,640
combination of an aircraft control

1542
01:15:30,070 --> 01:15:28,000
hardware control software and a

1543
01:15:32,070 --> 01:15:30,080
communication link in addition to

1544
01:15:33,990 --> 01:15:32,080
potentially hazardous payloads make risk

1545
01:15:47,510 --> 01:15:34,000
assessment management coverage extremely

1546
01:15:55,270 --> 01:15:48,470
so

1547
01:15:58,630 --> 01:15:56,790
thank you for the invitation to appear

1548
01:16:00,709 --> 01:15:58,640
before you to discuss the risks

1549
01:16:03,350 --> 01:16:00,719
associated with unmanned aircraft also

1550
01:16:05,030 --> 01:16:03,360
lee called drones in the united states

1551
01:16:13,350 --> 01:16:05,040
i'm a professor in the department of

1552
01:16:18,870 --> 01:16:16,950
it's interesting here is the faa is

1553
01:16:21,189 --> 01:16:18,880
developing a version for unmanned

1554
01:16:23,430 --> 01:16:21,199
aircraft

1555
01:16:24,790 --> 01:16:23,440
uh my s

1556
01:16:26,470 --> 01:16:24,800
currently undergoing international

1557
01:16:28,070 --> 01:16:26,480
standardization

1558
01:16:29,990 --> 01:16:28,080
my students at stanford have been

1559
01:16:33,510 --> 01:16:30,000
supporting this effort and the effort of

1560
01:16:35,270 --> 01:16:33,520
nasa to build a uas traffic management

1561
01:16:37,590 --> 01:16:35,280
system

1562
01:16:39,430 --> 01:16:37,600
personally i find the rapid acceleration

1563
01:16:41,830 --> 01:16:39,440
of unmanned aircraft technology to be

1564
01:16:48,709 --> 01:16:41,840
the most exciting okay

1565
01:16:52,070 --> 01:16:50,390
i hope to inform the discussion with my

1566
01:16:53,590 --> 01:16:52,080
thoughts with respect to questions first

1567
01:16:54,709 --> 01:16:53,600
how do we measure and analyze these

1568
01:16:56,149 --> 01:16:54,719
risks second

1569
01:16:58,149 --> 01:16:56,159
what are the best technologies and

1570
01:17:03,270 --> 01:16:58,159
policies to

1571
01:17:07,669 --> 01:17:05,510
and there's tremendous diversity uh we

1572
01:17:10,310 --> 01:17:07,679
have a very small aircraft such as the

1573
01:17:12,310 --> 01:17:10,320
robot be developed at harvard university

1574
01:17:25,580 --> 01:17:12,320
that weighs about the same as an average

1575
01:17:25,590 --> 01:17:32,950
[Laughter]

1576
01:17:38,470 --> 01:17:35,669
and then we get into the

1577
01:17:41,270 --> 01:17:38,480
this part so these reports of uas how do

1578
01:17:42,950 --> 01:17:41,280
you know uh what it is they saw versus

1579
01:17:45,270 --> 01:17:42,960
you know a balloon that a kid let go a

1580
01:17:46,709 --> 01:17:45,280
while ago which i see my aircraft from

1581
01:17:48,709 --> 01:17:46,719
time to time

1582
01:17:51,510 --> 01:17:48,719
i tried to do a circle around it safely

1583
01:17:53,990 --> 01:17:51,520
of course or even a ufo

1584
01:17:55,750 --> 01:17:54,000
you can go on cable at night anywhere

1585
01:17:58,149 --> 01:17:55,760
from eleven o'clock to three o'clock in

1586
01:17:59,430 --> 01:17:58,159
the morning and hear all these pilot

1587
01:18:00,950 --> 01:17:59,440
stories

1588
01:18:02,790 --> 01:18:00,960
about ufos

1589
01:18:05,510 --> 01:18:02,800
but how do we know

1590
01:18:10,470 --> 01:18:05,520
we saw uas and what specifically it does

1591
01:18:16,149 --> 01:18:12,550
and they talk about a lot that they do

1592
01:18:20,070 --> 01:18:17,990
and that it's a uas

1593
01:18:26,149 --> 01:18:20,080
to me that would imply

1594
01:18:31,270 --> 01:18:28,870
they probably know what it is

1595
01:18:39,270 --> 01:18:31,280
odd cable laura let's talk about like

1596
01:18:45,750 --> 01:18:41,750
june 20 2014 newspaper article reported

1597
01:18:47,350 --> 01:18:45,760
47 uas accidents involving u.s military

1598
01:18:48,630 --> 01:18:47,360
and federal agencies aircraft have

1599
01:18:53,110 --> 01:18:48,640
occurred since

1600
01:19:05,030 --> 01:18:54,550
safety record that no commercial

1601
01:19:09,590 --> 01:19:07,030
headlines last several months have

1602
01:19:11,669 --> 01:19:09,600
reflected this increased focus on drones

1603
01:19:13,830 --> 01:19:11,679
stories portrayed drones clogging u.s

1604
01:19:16,390 --> 01:19:13,840
airplanes snarling air traffic giving

1605
01:19:18,870 --> 01:19:16,400
faa fits and penetrating some of the

1606
01:19:20,870 --> 01:19:18,880
most guarded airspace in the country as

1607
01:19:23,270 --> 01:19:20,880
the largest national organization

1608
01:19:24,790 --> 01:19:23,280
representing long-time hobbyists

1609
01:19:26,870 --> 01:19:24,800
we have been very concerned about these

1610
01:19:30,070 --> 01:19:26,880
reports safety is the cornerstone of our

1611
01:19:34,149 --> 01:19:31,669
some additional sightings appear to

1612
01:19:36,070 --> 01:19:34,159
involve people flying unmanned aircraft

1613
01:19:37,510 --> 01:19:36,080
systems responsibly and within the

1614
01:19:39,830 --> 01:19:37,520
current guidelines

1615
01:19:41,270 --> 01:19:39,840
even more interesting amazing analysis

1616
01:19:43,030 --> 01:19:41,280
found that many things in the air from

1617
01:19:45,110 --> 01:19:43,040
balloons and birds to model rockets and

1618
01:19:47,270 --> 01:19:45,120
many blimps are mistaken for or reported

1619
01:19:48,390 --> 01:19:47,280
as drone sightings even when they are

1620
01:19:50,470 --> 01:19:48,400
not

1621
01:19:58,229 --> 01:19:50,480
clearly more analysis of the data is

1622
01:20:01,430 --> 01:19:59,510
a number of the reports involving

1623
01:20:03,430 --> 01:20:01,440
military drones are possible military

1624
01:20:07,510 --> 01:20:03,440
drones calls into question how many

1625
01:20:10,390 --> 01:20:07,520
other reports in the faa data may be may

1626
01:20:13,910 --> 01:20:10,400
have been sightings at military aircraft

1627
01:20:13,920 --> 01:20:16,870
this will be

1628
01:20:20,629 --> 01:20:18,310
why do people keep coming here and

1629
01:20:26,390 --> 01:20:20,639
posting those weird comments that's what

1630
01:20:33,270 --> 01:20:28,950
that's what i want to know

1631
01:20:34,709 --> 01:20:33,280
what is up with that

1632
01:20:36,550 --> 01:20:34,719
it's like they're tagging me for some

1633
01:20:38,950 --> 01:20:36,560
sort of

1634
01:20:38,960 --> 01:20:42,390
bull crap

1635
01:20:50,070 --> 01:20:44,830
i have to block

1636
01:20:52,870 --> 01:20:51,590
okay so

1637
01:20:55,590 --> 01:20:52,880
i'm going to

1638
01:20:58,229 --> 01:20:55,600
you guys should read

1639
01:21:00,790 --> 01:20:58,239
it's it's long but um you should at

1640
01:21:04,229 --> 01:21:00,800
least try to glance through it

1641
01:21:08,390 --> 01:21:06,550
um because it really

1642
01:21:12,070 --> 01:21:08,400
uh

1643
01:21:14,470 --> 01:21:12,080
if this kind of stuff like um

1644
01:21:19,110 --> 01:21:14,480
was known to the public like it would it

1645
01:21:26,830 --> 01:21:21,430
it would probably um

1646
01:21:32,390 --> 01:21:29,189
airliners number of reports involving

1647
01:21:33,910 --> 01:21:32,400
military drones possible drones

1648
01:21:35,990 --> 01:21:33,920
this is especially true of sightings at

1649
01:21:37,990 --> 01:21:36,000
higher altitudes including class a

1650
01:21:39,669 --> 01:21:38,000
airspace between eighteen thousand and

1651
01:21:41,430 --> 01:21:39,679
six thousand feet above sea level

1652
01:21:42,950 --> 01:21:41,440
reaching class a airspace is generally

1653
01:21:45,430 --> 01:21:42,960
beyond the capabilities of model

1654
01:21:47,430 --> 01:21:45,440
aircraft and consumer-grade drones

1655
01:21:49,510 --> 01:21:47,440
indeed the most popular consumer drone

1656
01:21:56,149 --> 01:21:49,520
sold today the dji phantom has a

1657
01:22:01,590 --> 01:21:57,990
are some of the

1658
01:22:04,950 --> 01:22:03,030
twenty four thousand feet fifty one

1659
01:22:07,510 --> 01:22:04,960
thousand twenty twenty five twenty five

1660
01:22:11,750 --> 01:22:09,350
to put these reports into context many

1661
01:22:14,229 --> 01:22:11,760
small manned aircraft cannot even reach

1662
01:22:16,629 --> 01:22:14,239
these heights for example the service

1663
01:22:19,750 --> 01:22:16,639
ceiling the maximum achievable altitude

1664
01:22:20,950 --> 01:22:19,760
of a single engine cessna skyhawk is 14

1665
01:22:22,870 --> 01:22:20,960
000 feet

1666
01:22:25,750 --> 01:22:22,880
likewise the maximum operating altitude

1667
01:22:29,030 --> 01:22:25,760
of a manned robinson r22 helicopter is

1668
01:22:29,040 --> 01:22:34,870
so what are these drones doing up there

1669
01:22:34,880 --> 01:22:43,830
it's pretty high up there

1670
01:22:43,840 --> 01:22:47,990
ah they're just dead butts

1671
01:22:48,000 --> 01:22:54,470
i got you

1672
01:22:58,470 --> 01:22:56,229
now this is funny because in the same

1673
01:23:00,709 --> 01:22:58,480
document then they

1674
01:23:01,830 --> 01:23:00,719
towards the end or the same like hearing

1675
01:23:05,270 --> 01:23:01,840
that they're doing

1676
01:23:09,669 --> 01:23:07,189
and this is pretty interesting

1677
01:23:11,590 --> 01:23:09,679
um because you got to think about all

1678
01:23:13,030 --> 01:23:11,600
the reports we're hearing now like on

1679
01:23:14,310 --> 01:23:13,040
the drive and everything how they're

1680
01:23:16,149 --> 01:23:14,320
calling

1681
01:23:20,390 --> 01:23:16,159
um the things that are buzzing around

1682
01:23:25,189 --> 01:23:22,790
right and you forbes picked up the story

1683
01:23:27,590 --> 01:23:25,199
and they call them drones

1684
01:23:30,629 --> 01:23:27,600
well here we are it says drones are the

1685
01:23:39,270 --> 01:23:30,639
new ufos except for one report of an

1686
01:23:42,470 --> 01:23:41,030
so again

1687
01:23:43,990 --> 01:23:42,480
if you're just joining us we're reading

1688
01:23:46,070 --> 01:23:44,000
from this

1689
01:23:48,149 --> 01:23:46,080
ensuring aviation safety in the era of

1690
01:23:52,310 --> 01:23:48,159
unmanned aircraft systems hearing before

1691
01:23:56,629 --> 01:23:53,990
get to this part

1692
01:23:59,030 --> 01:23:56,639
also shared the actual document the

1693
01:24:00,870 --> 01:23:59,040
files which i highly suggest you look

1694
01:24:03,590 --> 01:24:00,880
into

1695
01:24:05,350 --> 01:24:03,600
in more than a dozen faa records pilots

1696
01:24:06,790 --> 01:24:05,360
either reported seeing something other

1697
01:24:08,950 --> 01:24:06,800
than a drone

1698
01:24:11,030 --> 01:24:08,960
or pilot was unsure whether an object

1699
01:24:13,110 --> 01:24:11,040
was a drone at all

1700
01:24:15,750 --> 01:24:13,120
such an object is quite literally an

1701
01:24:17,669 --> 01:24:15,760
unidentified flying object

1702
01:24:19,750 --> 01:24:17,679
however it seems the term drone has

1703
01:24:21,510 --> 01:24:19,760
become the new ufo

1704
01:24:23,750 --> 01:24:21,520
applying to everything from balloons and

1705
01:24:27,750 --> 01:24:23,760
birds to model rockets and mini blimps a

1706
01:24:33,830 --> 01:24:31,110
2015 august 12th pilot salt lake city

1707
01:24:37,510 --> 01:24:33,840
reported seeing an ultra light

1708
01:24:42,629 --> 01:24:40,310
july 19 2015 ground personnel at jfk in

1709
01:24:45,030 --> 01:24:42,639
new york reported a cluster of silver

1710
01:24:47,030 --> 01:24:45,040
balloons blowing over the airport fence

1711
01:24:50,550 --> 01:24:47,040
controllers in the tower also noted

1712
01:24:54,390 --> 01:24:50,560
seeing a silver object

1713
01:25:00,550 --> 01:24:57,990
also at jfk on july 10 2015 a jet blue

1714
01:25:03,750 --> 01:25:00,560
pilot reported seeing a fast-moving gray

1715
01:25:09,430 --> 01:25:07,830
july 5th 2015 an american airlines pilot

1716
01:25:12,229 --> 01:25:09,440
near laguardia airport in new york

1717
01:25:14,709 --> 01:25:12,239
reported seeing a model rocket

1718
01:25:18,229 --> 01:25:14,719
may 31st

1719
01:25:20,709 --> 01:25:18,239
uh reported seeing a mini blimp

1720
01:25:22,870 --> 01:25:20,719
at lax

1721
01:25:25,750 --> 01:25:22,880
and one of the more ambiguous reports

1722
01:25:27,510 --> 01:25:25,760
april 5th 2015 an alaska airlines pilot

1723
01:25:29,669 --> 01:25:27,520
near des moines

1724
01:25:32,950 --> 01:25:29,679
uh washington reported seeing something

1725
01:25:37,189 --> 01:25:34,950
and what could have been a sighting of a

1726
01:25:39,270 --> 01:25:37,199
manned aircraft on february 10 2015 the

1727
01:25:41,910 --> 01:25:39,280
southwest airlines pilot reported seeing

1728
01:25:45,189 --> 01:25:41,920
an unidentified helicopter while on

1729
01:25:47,910 --> 01:25:45,199
final report approach to lax

1730
01:25:50,310 --> 01:25:47,920
november 14th plane landing at andrews

1731
01:25:52,310 --> 01:25:50,320
air force base outside of washington dc

1732
01:25:56,390 --> 01:25:52,320
reported seeing a drone that looked like

1733
01:25:56,400 --> 01:26:00,870
interesting

1734
01:26:00,880 --> 01:26:05,189
and this is the last one

1735
01:26:08,950 --> 01:26:07,189
there are several more reports that

1736
01:26:11,830 --> 01:26:08,960
indicate that pilots at times aren't

1737
01:26:13,590 --> 01:26:11,840
sure what they are seeing pilot was not

1738
01:26:15,910 --> 01:26:13,600
positive that the object he saw was a

1739
01:26:19,030 --> 01:26:15,920
drone reads one entry from sarasota

1740
01:26:22,149 --> 01:26:19,040
florida pilot and georgia reports seeing

1741
01:26:24,149 --> 01:26:22,159
a red uas or balloon similarly a pilot

1742
01:26:26,550 --> 01:26:24,159
near san francisco reported a uas or

1743
01:26:28,390 --> 01:26:26,560
balloon 10 000 feet

1744
01:26:30,790 --> 01:26:28,400
uh right in the black here it says

1745
01:26:34,070 --> 01:26:30,800
aircraft reported a ufo

1746
01:26:35,750 --> 01:26:34,080
report um approximate blah blah blah

1747
01:26:37,669 --> 01:26:35,760
moving from west to east just above the

1748
01:26:41,030 --> 01:26:37,679
horizon with steady light illumination

1749
01:26:41,990 --> 01:26:41,040
fast moving due east gone within five

1750
01:26:46,310 --> 01:26:42,000
minutes

1751
01:26:49,270 --> 01:26:46,320
aba 020 concurred with this report

1752
01:26:53,350 --> 01:26:51,189
back to the document here

1753
01:26:55,669 --> 01:26:53,360
uh while any object in the sky seems to

1754
01:26:57,990 --> 01:26:55,679
be reported as a drone occasionally a

1755
01:27:01,350 --> 01:26:58,000
ufo is still a ufo

1756
01:27:03,830 --> 01:27:01,360
on july 24th here we go 2015 two

1757
01:27:07,750 --> 01:27:03,840
aircraft near washington dc spotted what

1758
01:27:09,750 --> 01:27:07,760
they described as a ufo at 51 000 feet

1759
01:27:17,669 --> 01:27:09,760
higher than commercial airliners

1760
01:27:17,679 --> 01:27:21,030
pretty interesting

1761
01:27:24,390 --> 01:27:22,709
and basically at the bottom they're

1762
01:27:26,070 --> 01:27:24,400
saying the faa shouldn't include these

1763
01:27:31,590 --> 01:27:26,080
kind of reports

1764
01:27:34,629 --> 01:27:33,270
so

1765
01:27:39,270 --> 01:27:34,639
you have the documents you have the

1766
01:27:42,790 --> 01:27:40,229
um

1767
01:27:45,110 --> 01:27:42,800
i'm done

1768
01:27:48,870 --> 01:27:45,120
and i just wanted to

1769
01:27:54,709 --> 01:27:51,669
that i appreciate you guys hanging out

1770
01:27:56,470 --> 01:27:54,719
and being such cool people nice people

1771
01:27:59,350 --> 01:27:56,480
in the chat

1772
01:28:01,030 --> 01:27:59,360
and i hope you all have a merry

1773
01:28:04,709 --> 01:28:01,040
christmas

1774
01:28:07,510 --> 01:28:04,719
i'm not gonna be back until afterwards

1775
01:28:07,520 --> 01:28:12,229
um

1776
01:28:16,629 --> 01:28:14,950
be good y'all

1777
01:28:18,870 --> 01:28:16,639
you know there's a lot of crazy stuff

1778
01:28:21,990 --> 01:28:18,880
happening in the world today

1779
01:28:23,510 --> 01:28:22,000
um with coronavirus

1780
01:28:25,990 --> 01:28:23,520
um

1781
01:28:29,590 --> 01:28:26,000
this uap stuff

1782
01:28:35,189 --> 01:28:31,750
you know threats of war from russia all

1783
01:28:37,910 --> 01:28:36,470
so if you have

1784
01:28:39,030 --> 01:28:37,920
if you're fortunate enough to have some

1785
01:28:41,510 --> 01:28:39,040
family

1786
01:28:45,350 --> 01:28:41,520
and some time with them this holiday

1787
01:28:50,470 --> 01:28:47,669
chill with them

1788
01:28:52,870 --> 01:28:50,480
have a good time with real people

1789
01:28:53,830 --> 01:28:52,880
um and feel some love and have some

1790
01:28:55,830 --> 01:28:53,840
laughs

1791
01:28:57,910 --> 01:28:55,840
try to drown out the drama for just a

1792
01:28:59,590 --> 01:28:57,920
day or two

1793
01:29:00,709 --> 01:28:59,600
you know the drama of the world around

1794
01:29:03,910 --> 01:29:00,719
you

1795
01:29:06,310 --> 01:29:03,920
and just be together

1796
01:29:09,510 --> 01:29:06,320
because there's a lot of people that

1797
01:29:12,470 --> 01:29:09,520
don't have that opportunity right now

1798
01:29:14,390 --> 01:29:12,480
and wish they would right

1799
01:29:17,669 --> 01:29:14,400
comes a point where you know uaps and

1800
01:29:18,470 --> 01:29:17,679
ufos yes the whole thing's important

1801
01:29:20,629 --> 01:29:18,480
um

1802
01:29:22,950 --> 01:29:20,639
but what's really important

1803
01:29:27,350 --> 01:29:22,960
like what's really really important

1804
01:29:30,950 --> 01:29:28,790
you know

1805
01:29:32,550 --> 01:29:30,960
people you love

1806
01:29:35,510 --> 01:29:32,560
if you had a chance to be with somebody

1807
01:29:38,070 --> 01:29:35,520
you love or find out if ufos are real

1808
01:29:39,590 --> 01:29:38,080
would you pick i would pick

1809
01:29:42,790 --> 01:29:39,600
my wife

1810
01:29:45,350 --> 01:29:44,390
i'm sure you would do something similar

1811
01:29:49,590 --> 01:29:45,360
so

1812
01:29:53,030 --> 01:29:50,950
have a good holiday have a good

1813
01:29:55,110 --> 01:29:53,040
christmas

1814
01:29:57,510 --> 01:29:55,120
be in love

1815
01:30:00,709 --> 01:29:57,520
make sure the people you know

1816
01:30:06,470 --> 01:30:00,719
you're with know that you do love them

1817
01:30:09,750 --> 01:30:08,950
go petco

1818
01:30:11,830 --> 01:30:09,760
oh

1819
01:30:14,310 --> 01:30:11,840
but you've been

1820
01:30:16,950 --> 01:30:14,320
you know that was a good comment but

1821
01:30:21,830 --> 01:30:16,960
i'm a huge seinfeld fan so

1822
01:30:28,060 --> 01:30:23,510
so adios everybody thanks again for

1823
01:30:28,070 --> 01:30:35,590
[Music]

1824
01:30:52,470 --> 01:30:37,510
citizens citizens

1825
01:31:25,990 --> 01:30:52,480
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